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		<title>By: Dynamite Soul</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2006/08/06/muslims-and-conspicuous-compassion/comment-page-1/#comment-493</link>
		<dc:creator>Dynamite Soul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Aug 2006 07:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Masha Allah, great post.

Marching worked for only a minute, but it still didn&#039;t keep assasins away ( see MLK Jr.). The reality is that Muslims need not be in a hurry to comply with &quot;The Man&#039;s&quot; demands to &quot;show&quot; that we as Muslims disagree with terrorism. This is not a minstrel show. We will march for years to their amusement. Our actions PROVE we disagree because the vast majority of us DO NOT commit terrorist acts. 

Instead of us marching for solidarity and whatnot, let&#039;s demand that they march for LOGIC.

And yes, I do agree with someone who mentioned that it would feel great to know others were demonstrating for my cause. Problem is, I doubt many of those under duress have electricity at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Masha Allah, great post.</p>
<p>Marching worked for only a minute, but it still didn&#8217;t keep assasins away ( see MLK Jr.). The reality is that Muslims need not be in a hurry to comply with &#8220;The Man&#8217;s&#8221; demands to &#8220;show&#8221; that we as Muslims disagree with terrorism. This is not a minstrel show. We will march for years to their amusement. Our actions PROVE we disagree because the vast majority of us DO NOT commit terrorist acts. </p>
<p>Instead of us marching for solidarity and whatnot, let&#8217;s demand that they march for LOGIC.</p>
<p>And yes, I do agree with someone who mentioned that it would feel great to know others were demonstrating for my cause. Problem is, I doubt many of those under duress have electricity at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This opinion piece should be printed off and distributed at all rallies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This opinion piece should be printed off and distributed at all rallies.</p>
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		<title>By: Amir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 13:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is conceivable that a rally might be of benefit if it is made up of people with not just a common complaint but also a common solution that is articulated properly.  However, anti-war rallies, as they stand today, seem thoroughly self-indulgent affairs: more like carnivals with their costumes, paper mache masks, stil walkers, drummers, and bands.  The speakers rarely make any coherent point and whatever message might have been delivered is drowned out by the cacophony of opposing voices.  &quot;Yes, the solution is Socialism!&quot;, yells one protester.  &quot;Khaybar! Khaybar! Ya Yahud!&quot;, yells another one.  This is completely obvious to anyone who participates in them, yet still people insist that attending them is important and if you don&#039;t or, even worse, advise others not to bother, you are guilty of some sort of major calumny against humanity.   The reason, as I have argued above, is that some people don&#039;t really care that the rally is not effective because their locus of concern is often not really on the Middle East.  It is more on themselves and either soothing some sort of guilt or shame, or providing them with the rush that comes from feeling you have done something important.  The fact that a rally provides such an emotional benefit for so little personal investment (as opposed, say, to giving money to charity) makes it all the more attractive to some people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is conceivable that a rally might be of benefit if it is made up of people with not just a common complaint but also a common solution that is articulated properly.  However, anti-war rallies, as they stand today, seem thoroughly self-indulgent affairs: more like carnivals with their costumes, paper mache masks, stil walkers, drummers, and bands.  The speakers rarely make any coherent point and whatever message might have been delivered is drowned out by the cacophony of opposing voices.  &#8220;Yes, the solution is Socialism!&#8221;, yells one protester.  &#8220;Khaybar! Khaybar! Ya Yahud!&#8221;, yells another one.  This is completely obvious to anyone who participates in them, yet still people insist that attending them is important and if you don&#8217;t or, even worse, advise others not to bother, you are guilty of some sort of major calumny against humanity.   The reason, as I have argued above, is that some people don&#8217;t really care that the rally is not effective because their locus of concern is often not really on the Middle East.  It is more on themselves and either soothing some sort of guilt or shame, or providing them with the rush that comes from feeling you have done something important.  The fact that a rally provides such an emotional benefit for so little personal investment (as opposed, say, to giving money to charity) makes it all the more attractive to some people.</p>
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		<title>By: Baybers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baybers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 07:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Amir&#039;s point works best in reference to excessive often manufactured or indulgent public outpouring of emotion such as the death of Diana and woeful sentimental eulogy by Reg the homosexual crooner from Pinner (i.e. Elton John). &quot;The catharsis that failed&quot;

This sort of recreational public orgastic grieving, is often for people who demonstrably do not deserve it.

http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/ahm/di.htm

Political rallies such as the one by MAB in London, may not have stopped the War, but did show the strength of anti-war sentiment and unity of Muslims on the issue. It heralded the birth of a legitimate Muslim political voice. But the Muslims had that sense of community prior to the rally, it was the latter that showed the strength of it to the larger population.

It probably did effect the course of events, allowing the group of 42 diplomats to write their letter, and for Robin Cook and others to speak out against the Iraq conflict with some force.

as Osama saeed points out in his weblog, even the small rally by Muslims in Jack Straw&#039;s constituency, caused him to get the sack from his boss, condi rice

http://www.osamasaeed.org/osama/2006/08/why_jack_got_th.html#more</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Amir&#8217;s point works best in reference to excessive often manufactured or indulgent public outpouring of emotion such as the death of Diana and woeful sentimental eulogy by Reg the homosexual crooner from Pinner (i.e. Elton John). &#8220;The catharsis that failed&#8221;</p>
<p>This sort of recreational public orgastic grieving, is often for people who demonstrably do not deserve it.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/ahm/di.htm">http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/ahm/di.htm</a></p>
<p>Political rallies such as the one by MAB in London, may not have stopped the War, but did show the strength of anti-war sentiment and unity of Muslims on the issue. It heralded the birth of a legitimate Muslim political voice. But the Muslims had that sense of community prior to the rally, it was the latter that showed the strength of it to the larger population.</p>
<p>It probably did effect the course of events, allowing the group of 42 diplomats to write their letter, and for Robin Cook and others to speak out against the Iraq conflict with some force.</p>
<p>as Osama saeed points out in his weblog, even the small rally by Muslims in Jack Straw&#8217;s constituency, caused him to get the sack from his boss, condi rice</p>
<p><a href="http://www.osamasaeed.org/osama/2006/08/why_jack_got_th.html#more">http://www.osamasaeed.org/osam......html#more</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mohammed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mohammed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 01:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the key here is &lt;i&gt;solidarity&lt;/i&gt;. At the very least, protestors at rallies express solidarity with the victims, which is &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; significant and &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; important. I&#039;m not sure how exactly, I&#039;m just sure that it is.

If you were a small child in Lebanon right now, cowering in terror in a corner of your apartment as Israeli missiles rain down on your neighbourhood, wouldn&#039;t you draw comfort from the fact that someone in Australia &lt;i&gt;cared&lt;/i&gt; enough to express solidarity? I know I would.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the key here is <i>solidarity</i>. At the very least, protestors at rallies express solidarity with the victims, which is <i>very</i> significant and <i>very</i> important. I&#8217;m not sure how exactly, I&#8217;m just sure that it is.</p>
<p>If you were a small child in Lebanon right now, cowering in terror in a corner of your apartment as Israeli missiles rain down on your neighbourhood, wouldn&#8217;t you draw comfort from the fact that someone in Australia <i>cared</i> enough to express solidarity? I know I would.</p>
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		<title>By: Amir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 00:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well. in general, I think we should be very careful about public expressions of compassion because they can be so easily corrupted.  Interestingly, White makes the point that the community should consider the Islamic principle of zakat (alms giving) where people give privately of their wealth to causes rather than engage in things of no appreciable benefit to the object of our compassion but often considerable emotional benefit to ourselves.  

Personally. I don&#039;t particularly care if people choose to attend rallies but what irked me was that I was recently &#039;confronted&#039; by a group of people involved in one of the rallies at a public place and accused of &#039;doing nothing&#039; to stop the killing.  It seemed to me that people are really attaching too much importance to these events and White&#039;s thesis seemed to make a lot of sense: for people who feel, whether by choice or circumstance, powerless to do anything, rallies provide an illusionary feeling of doing something significant and important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well. in general, I think we should be very careful about public expressions of compassion because they can be so easily corrupted.  Interestingly, White makes the point that the community should consider the Islamic principle of zakat (alms giving) where people give privately of their wealth to causes rather than engage in things of no appreciable benefit to the object of our compassion but often considerable emotional benefit to ourselves.  </p>
<p>Personally. I don&#8217;t particularly care if people choose to attend rallies but what irked me was that I was recently &#8216;confronted&#8217; by a group of people involved in one of the rallies at a public place and accused of &#8216;doing nothing&#8217; to stop the killing.  It seemed to me that people are really attaching too much importance to these events and White&#8217;s thesis seemed to make a lot of sense: for people who feel, whether by choice or circumstance, powerless to do anything, rallies provide an illusionary feeling of doing something significant and important.</p>
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		<title>By: Mohammed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mohammed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 11:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I propose we get together and rally against rallies. It would be great if we could block the CBD and really make our voices heard. Who&#039;s with me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I propose we get together and rally against rallies. It would be great if we could block the CBD and really make our voices heard. Who&#8217;s with me?</p>
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		<title>By: Baybers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baybers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 09:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FA, I think that you may find someone who shares your pain:
http://austrolabe.com/2006/07/12/cooing-like-a-pigeon/

The other point that I wish to make is that as a Muslim one already has a direct personal connection with which to make personal supplication to God, 6 times a day. This spiritual discipline is the sunnah (or the Prophetic example). I would venture that this is more authentic, less orgiastic and indulgent.

Amir, I think you are being a bit harsh here, to your fellow human. Public rallies appear to be the only way that people in the west can be intimate with one another without recourse to alcohol or contraception (or both).

For the majority of their lives the shuffle around, locked in the prison of the self, without forming meaningful bonds to their co-workers or friends. Apparently there is less fear of commitment when one joins with complete strangers to celebrate, either a sporting success or a communal march opposing the mandatory flushing of public lavatories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FA, I think that you may find someone who shares your pain:<br />
<a href="http://austrolabe.com/2006/07/12/cooing-like-a-pigeon/">http://austrolabe.com/2006/07/.....-a-pigeon/</a></p>
<p>The other point that I wish to make is that as a Muslim one already has a direct personal connection with which to make personal supplication to God, 6 times a day. This spiritual discipline is the sunnah (or the Prophetic example). I would venture that this is more authentic, less orgiastic and indulgent.</p>
<p>Amir, I think you are being a bit harsh here, to your fellow human. Public rallies appear to be the only way that people in the west can be intimate with one another without recourse to alcohol or contraception (or both).</p>
<p>For the majority of their lives the shuffle around, locked in the prison of the self, without forming meaningful bonds to their co-workers or friends. Apparently there is less fear of commitment when one joins with complete strangers to celebrate, either a sporting success or a communal march opposing the mandatory flushing of public lavatories.</p>
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		<title>By: FA</title>
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		<dc:creator>FA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 07:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent points.  Another area where I think this applies is in the interfaith movement.  A lot of interfaith gatherings that I have attended recently here in Sydney seem to be more about allowing participants to appear tolerant and understanding, than about discussing real issues.  Nobody talks about fighting late term abortion or rising teenage pregnancies, but everyone wants to blabber about how wonderfully tolerant they are of each others religious beliefs.  Anyone who points out that this is just a load of pap and of no real substance will be shouted down as a bigot who wants to divide the community and spread intolerance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent points.  Another area where I think this applies is in the interfaith movement.  A lot of interfaith gatherings that I have attended recently here in Sydney seem to be more about allowing participants to appear tolerant and understanding, than about discussing real issues.  Nobody talks about fighting late term abortion or rising teenage pregnancies, but everyone wants to blabber about how wonderfully tolerant they are of each others religious beliefs.  Anyone who points out that this is just a load of pap and of no real substance will be shouted down as a bigot who wants to divide the community and spread intolerance.</p>
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