Comments on: The Meaning of Hezbollah: Does anybody care? http://austrolabe.com/2006/08/10/the-meaning-of-hezbollah-does-anybody-care/ Fri, 12 Mar 2010 22:04:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: muslimmatters.org » Growing “Shiitization” http://austrolabe.com/2006/08/10/the-meaning-of-hezbollah-does-anybody-care/comment-page-1/#comment-22647 muslimmatters.org » Growing “Shiitization” Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:22:17 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2006/08/10/the-meaning-of-hezbollah-does-anybody-care/#comment-22647 [...] Our brother Amir Butler wrote an excellent piece on this last year while everyone else was singing “Hezbollah’s” praises and putting out rap songs about them few people seem willing to question Hezbollah’s motives, method or meaning. Muslim leaders across the Arab world have dutifully supported Hezbollah and even the so-called moderate Muslim leadership in Australia are calling for Hezbollah to be de-listed as a terrorist organisation. The principle reasoning for all this support seems to be that Hezbollah are killing Jews, rather than any nuanced or considered assessment of Hezbollah’s political and religious ideology. Yet, before even more Sunnis line up behind Hezbollah and start waving their flag (as many Muslims seem to have been doing at recent rallies), perhaps somebody should ask some questions; beginning with: what on earth are we supporting when we endorse Hezbollah as freedom fighters and heroes? [...] [...] Our brother Amir Butler wrote an excellent piece on this last year while everyone else was singing “Hezbollah’s” praises and putting out rap songs about them few people seem willing to question Hezbollah’s motives, method or meaning. Muslim leaders across the Arab world have dutifully supported Hezbollah and even the so-called moderate Muslim leadership in Australia are calling for Hezbollah to be de-listed as a terrorist organisation. The principle reasoning for all this support seems to be that Hezbollah are killing Jews, rather than any nuanced or considered assessment of Hezbollah’s political and religious ideology. Yet, before even more Sunnis line up behind Hezbollah and start waving their flag (as many Muslims seem to have been doing at recent rallies), perhaps somebody should ask some questions; beginning with: what on earth are we supporting when we endorse Hezbollah as freedom fighters and heroes? [...]

]]> By: Ramadhan, Hezbollah and one or two other things at Maresmart Sentral http://austrolabe.com/2006/08/10/the-meaning-of-hezbollah-does-anybody-care/comment-page-1/#comment-1553 Ramadhan, Hezbollah and one or two other things at Maresmart Sentral Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:41:41 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2006/08/10/the-meaning-of-hezbollah-does-anybody-care/#comment-1553 [...] Speaking of Mesir, saya “teringat” pasal Hezbollah di Lebanon. Ada saudara kita dari Australia menulis artikle berikut tentang diorang ni : Clearly, they are a Shi’ite milita funded and armed by a regime that seems to have little real tolerance for Sunnis. In Iraq, we have the precedent of Shi’a death squads, running under the auspices of the Iraqi Interior Ministry, targeting Sunnis. There is naturally a fear that if the Iranian-backed Shi’a of Iraq are behaving in such a way, then the Iranian-backed Shi’a of Lebanon will likewise seize the opportunity to settle 1,000 year old scores if they are able. [...] [...] Speaking of Mesir, saya “teringat” pasal Hezbollah di Lebanon. Ada saudara kita dari Australia menulis artikle berikut tentang diorang ni : Clearly, they are a Shi’ite milita funded and armed by a regime that seems to have little real tolerance for Sunnis. In Iraq, we have the precedent of Shi’a death squads, running under the auspices of the Iraqi Interior Ministry, targeting Sunnis. There is naturally a fear that if the Iranian-backed Shi’a of Iraq are behaving in such a way, then the Iranian-backed Shi’a of Lebanon will likewise seize the opportunity to settle 1,000 year old scores if they are able. [...]

]]> By: Abu Sahajj http://austrolabe.com/2006/08/10/the-meaning-of-hezbollah-does-anybody-care/comment-page-1/#comment-469 Abu Sahajj Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:01:44 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2006/08/10/the-meaning-of-hezbollah-does-anybody-care/#comment-469 Asalaamu alaikum, <blockquote>Saudi Arabia has a secret nukes program already to try and catch up with Iran.</blockquote> It can't be too much of a secret if you are posting the details of it on a blog? C'mon... masalaama Asalaamu alaikum,

Saudi Arabia has a secret nukes program already to try and catch up with Iran.

It can’t be too much of a secret if you are posting the details of it on a blog? C’mon…

masalaama

]]> By: Moriarty http://austrolabe.com/2006/08/10/the-meaning-of-hezbollah-does-anybody-care/comment-page-1/#comment-464 Moriarty Sat, 12 Aug 2006 01:14:19 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2006/08/10/the-meaning-of-hezbollah-does-anybody-care/#comment-464 Dean - You think I am bigotted? You should go to more Islamic news and blogs! Then you'll learn what bigotted is. Just look at the tone of the muslim responses to this post. The next Middle East war will not involve Israel directly - it will be fundamentalist Shia supported by Iran versus fundamentalist Sunni supported by Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia has a secret nukes program already to try and catch up with Iran. This war will be the very bloodiest since Iran/Iraq, which was just a curtain raiser. The good news is, it will give the West a breathing space to reorganise their own societies. We could follow the Saudi example regarding other religions, which is they don't allow any. So we can ban Islam and not allow any mosques. And, btw, I would be happy to see ALL religions banned. A pox on them all and their fairy stories about God. More blood has been shed by religious groups over the centuries than any other, though communists would come close. At least we seem to have seen off the commies. Time to do the same to religions - starting with the most murderous. Dean – You think I am bigotted? You should go to more Islamic news and blogs! Then you’ll learn what bigotted is.

Just look at the tone of the muslim responses to this post.

The next Middle East war will not involve Israel directly – it will be fundamentalist Shia supported by Iran versus fundamentalist Sunni supported by Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia has a secret nukes program already to try and catch up with Iran.

This war will be the very bloodiest since Iran/Iraq, which was just a curtain raiser.

The good news is, it will give the West a breathing space to reorganise their own societies.

We could follow the Saudi example regarding other religions, which is they don’t allow any. So we can ban Islam and not allow any mosques.

And, btw, I would be happy to see ALL religions banned. A pox on them all and their fairy stories about God.

More blood has been shed by religious groups over the centuries than any other, though communists would come close.

At least we seem to have seen off the commies. Time to do the same to religions – starting with the most murderous.

]]> By: skepticlawyer http://austrolabe.com/2006/08/10/the-meaning-of-hezbollah-does-anybody-care/comment-page-1/#comment-452 skepticlawyer Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:03:30 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2006/08/10/the-meaning-of-hezbollah-does-anybody-care/#comment-452 I'm posting this here because the thread over at Catallaxy has utterly degenerated. As you've probably guessed, I cordially dislike religion in all its forms, yours included. However, JC is behaving appallingly and has succeeded in chasing reasonable people away from what had the potential to be an interesting discussion. Thanks for attempting to 'raise the tone'. I’m posting this here because the thread over at Catallaxy has utterly degenerated.

As you’ve probably guessed, I cordially dislike religion in all its forms, yours included. However, JC is behaving appallingly and has succeeded in chasing reasonable people away from what had the potential to be an interesting discussion.

Thanks for attempting to ‘raise the tone’.

]]> By: Dean Esmay http://austrolabe.com/2006/08/10/the-meaning-of-hezbollah-does-anybody-care/comment-page-1/#comment-451 Dean Esmay Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:35:54 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2006/08/10/the-meaning-of-hezbollah-does-anybody-care/#comment-451 I'm not a muslim or a jew and I am a firm supporter in the fight against terrorism--and I wish a pox upon bigoted idiots like "Moriarty" above. I’m not a muslim or a jew and I am a firm supporter in the fight against terrorism–and I wish a pox upon bigoted idiots like “Moriarty” above.

]]> By: Simon http://austrolabe.com/2006/08/10/the-meaning-of-hezbollah-does-anybody-care/comment-page-1/#comment-450 Simon Fri, 11 Aug 2006 08:00:44 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2006/08/10/the-meaning-of-hezbollah-does-anybody-care/#comment-450 Very well put. I'm an Anglo who has travelled in the Arab world extensively and dreams of hearing more of this. I suspect many Arabs would agree with you on many of these points but are shouted down by the idiots. What we need in the world at the moment is radical moderation. Keep up the good work... Very well put. I’m an Anglo who has travelled in the Arab world extensively and dreams of hearing more of this. I suspect many Arabs would agree with you on many of these points but are shouted down by the idiots. What we need in the world at the moment is radical moderation. Keep up the good work…

]]> By: Moriarty http://austrolabe.com/2006/08/10/the-meaning-of-hezbollah-does-anybody-care/comment-page-1/#comment-449 Moriarty Fri, 11 Aug 2006 07:31:33 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2006/08/10/the-meaning-of-hezbollah-does-anybody-care/#comment-449 Well, it's a good article. However, I think Sunnis are as violent and murderous as Shias/Hezbollah, and this is evidenced every day not only in Iraq but around the world. I say a pox on all muslims of all sects - you really are a murderous bunch. Not only that, you whine and whinge about how everything is everybody elses (but mainly jewish) fault and never the fault of your medieval religion. A pox on you all Well, it’s a good article. However, I think Sunnis are as violent and murderous as Shias/Hezbollah, and this is evidenced every day not only in Iraq but around the world.

I say a pox on all muslims of all sects – you really are a murderous bunch.

Not only that, you whine and whinge about how everything is everybody elses (but mainly jewish) fault and never the fault of your medieval religion.

A pox on you all

]]> By: KK http://austrolabe.com/2006/08/10/the-meaning-of-hezbollah-does-anybody-care/comment-page-1/#comment-447 KK Fri, 11 Aug 2006 06:08:15 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2006/08/10/the-meaning-of-hezbollah-does-anybody-care/#comment-447 Congratulations on standing out from the crowd who think Hezbollox is an organisation of heroic freedom fighters. Perhaps if Muslims worldwide cast off their obsession with Jews and Israel and start thinking about more positive avenues for their efforts they can reform the totalitarian regimes across the Islamic world that continue to subjugate individual freedom and oppress minorities. Congratulations on standing out from the crowd who think Hezbollox is an organisation of heroic freedom fighters. Perhaps if Muslims worldwide cast off their obsession with Jews and Israel and start thinking about more positive avenues for their efforts they can reform the totalitarian regimes across the Islamic world that continue to subjugate individual freedom and oppress minorities.

]]> By: Amir http://austrolabe.com/2006/08/10/the-meaning-of-hezbollah-does-anybody-care/comment-page-1/#comment-441 Amir Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:14:00 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2006/08/10/the-meaning-of-hezbollah-does-anybody-care/#comment-441 It beggers belief that anyone can cast Hezbollah as simple 'freedom fighters'. As though, they just appeared as a grassroots response to an invasion. Even Hezbollah don't seem too interested in hiding who is really responsible for them and their supposed 'successes'. Hezbollah's representative in Iran, Abdullah Safi ad-Din was interviewed by the Iranian Kayhan newspaper and <a href="http://www.kayhannews.ir/850516/14.HTM" rel="nofollow">said</a>, <blockquote>"Everything we have, we [obtained] thanks to the Islamic Revolution [in Iran], [thanks to] the Imam [Ayatollah Khomeini, founder of the Islamic regime in Iran], [thanks to] the Honorable Leader [Ali Khamenei], and [thanks to] the 'rule of the jurisprudent' [i.e. the founding principle of the Islamic regime in Iran, which states that the country must be ruled by a religious jurisprudent]. Everything we have, we have thanks to our total obedience to the jurisprudent... "During the six years since the liberation of South Lebanon, we did not draw our attention away [from Israel] even for a single day, but made plans for times such as these..."</blockquote> Translation from http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=countries&Area=iran&ID=SP123906#_edn11 It beggers belief that anyone can cast Hezbollah as simple ‘freedom fighters’. As though, they just appeared as a grassroots response to an invasion. Even Hezbollah don’t seem too interested in hiding who is really responsible for them and their supposed ’successes’.

Hezbollah’s representative in Iran, Abdullah Safi ad-Din was interviewed by the Iranian Kayhan newspaper and said,

“Everything we have, we [obtained] thanks to the Islamic Revolution [in Iran], [thanks to] the Imam [Ayatollah Khomeini, founder of the Islamic regime in Iran], [thanks to] the Honorable Leader [Ali Khamenei], and [thanks to] the ‘rule of the jurisprudent’ [i.e. the founding principle of the Islamic regime in Iran, which states that the country must be ruled by a religious jurisprudent]. Everything we have, we have thanks to our total obedience to the jurisprudent…

“During the six years since the liberation of South Lebanon, we did not draw our attention away [from Israel] even for a single day, but made plans for times such as these…”

Translation from http://memri.org/bin/articles......906#_edn11

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