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	<title>Comments on: Why We Shouldn&#8217;t Support Intervention in Darfur</title>
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		<title>By: Amir</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2006/09/28/why-we-shouldnt-support-intervention-in-darfur/comment-page-1/#comment-1003</link>
		<dc:creator>Amir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 11:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I take great exception to certain parties who, while insisting that the entire world bleed for “Palestine”, show an striking indifference to other conflicts that have killed an order of magnitude more people. Just as particular lobby groups might value the life of a Christian more than a Muslim, I cannot help but notice that the same is true of Arabs vis-a-vis Blacks.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I suppose it is only natural that groups feel a certain empathy with those that are like them.  Christians, for example, will naturally concern themselves with the plight of Christians around the world; and Muslims will likewise focus their attentions more on the suffering of other Muslims.  Likewise, people of similar political or sexual persuasion will feel some concern for the suffering of those with whom they share some common sense of identity.  I don&#039;t think this is the problem but rather what I find troublesome is when a conflict is given more symbolic value than it deserves (relative to other conflicts) and demands are then made for intervention which, in turn, ends up prolonging a conflict rather than allowing the respective sides to reach a peaceful settlement of their own accord.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I take great exception to certain parties who, while insisting that the entire world bleed for “Palestine”, show an striking indifference to other conflicts that have killed an order of magnitude more people. Just as particular lobby groups might value the life of a Christian more than a Muslim, I cannot help but notice that the same is true of Arabs vis-a-vis Blacks.</p></blockquote>
<p>I suppose it is only natural that groups feel a certain empathy with those that are like them.  Christians, for example, will naturally concern themselves with the plight of Christians around the world; and Muslims will likewise focus their attentions more on the suffering of other Muslims.  Likewise, people of similar political or sexual persuasion will feel some concern for the suffering of those with whom they share some common sense of identity.  I don&#8217;t think this is the problem but rather what I find troublesome is when a conflict is given more symbolic value than it deserves (relative to other conflicts) and demands are then made for intervention which, in turn, ends up prolonging a conflict rather than allowing the respective sides to reach a peaceful settlement of their own accord.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Edwards</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2006/09/28/why-we-shouldnt-support-intervention-in-darfur/comment-page-1/#comment-986</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that there is no case for going in whatsoever, and that putting our boys on the front line for someone else&#039;s independence is a very stupid idea, but I should point out that the Darfuris aren&#039;t Christian (notice the women in the picture?), just in case certain parties thought that worshipping Christ somehow accorded them an enhanced right to life. On the other hand:

&quot;However, as the same New York Times article reminds us, the Darfurians had long excluded Arab nomads from access to their grazing areas and had, in 2003, initiated the conflict by attacking police and military.&quot;

So they wanted to exclude a bunch of interlopers from their property, and to secede from the national government for good measure. Perfect and good luck to them! I&#039;ll be cheering at their victory parade. 

PS - I take great exception to certain parties who, while insisting that the entire world bleed for &quot;Palestine&quot;, show an striking indifference to other conflicts that have killed an order of magnitude more people. Just as particular lobby groups might value the life of a Christian more than a Muslim, I cannot help but notice that the same is true of Arabs vis-a-vis Blacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that there is no case for going in whatsoever, and that putting our boys on the front line for someone else&#8217;s independence is a very stupid idea, but I should point out that the Darfuris aren&#8217;t Christian (notice the women in the picture?), just in case certain parties thought that worshipping Christ somehow accorded them an enhanced right to life. On the other hand:</p>
<p>&#8220;However, as the same New York Times article reminds us, the Darfurians had long excluded Arab nomads from access to their grazing areas and had, in 2003, initiated the conflict by attacking police and military.&#8221;</p>
<p>So they wanted to exclude a bunch of interlopers from their property, and to secede from the national government for good measure. Perfect and good luck to them! I&#8217;ll be cheering at their victory parade. </p>
<p>PS &#8211; I take great exception to certain parties who, while insisting that the entire world bleed for &#8220;Palestine&#8221;, show an striking indifference to other conflicts that have killed an order of magnitude more people. Just as particular lobby groups might value the life of a Christian more than a Muslim, I cannot help but notice that the same is true of Arabs vis-a-vis Blacks.</p>
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		<title>By: Umar</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2006/09/28/why-we-shouldnt-support-intervention-in-darfur/comment-page-1/#comment-974</link>
		<dc:creator>Umar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abdur-Rahman founded an organization called the Sudanesse American Society and has an email list where he regualry sends out messages on this issue and Ismail Kemal is in the process of trying to put together a Sudanesse Task Force, with almost no help from from any major Muslim organization who are scared to touch the issue. I cant find a website for them though. Also Imam Muhammad Majid in the DC-area has engaged in a variety of public debates and Sheikh Muhammad Nur Abdullah, former president of ISNA, also has spoken on the issue many times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abdur-Rahman founded an organization called the Sudanesse American Society and has an email list where he regualry sends out messages on this issue and Ismail Kemal is in the process of trying to put together a Sudanesse Task Force, with almost no help from from any major Muslim organization who are scared to touch the issue. I cant find a website for them though. Also Imam Muhammad Majid in the DC-area has engaged in a variety of public debates and Sheikh Muhammad Nur Abdullah, former president of ISNA, also has spoken on the issue many times.</p>
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		<title>By: Amir</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2006/09/28/why-we-shouldnt-support-intervention-in-darfur/comment-page-1/#comment-971</link>
		<dc:creator>Amir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 16:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It is hard for me to belive, after all the work that brothers like Abdur-Rahman Idris and Ismail Kemal have done, that there are any serious Muslims who support an “intervention” in Sudan.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I haven&#039;t read anything from Abdur-Rahman Idris and would be interested in seeing anything that is available online.  I&#039;ve read some pieces by Ismail Kemal in response to the calls for USC (I think) to divest from Sudan and he makes some compelling arguments against it.

As an aside, I wonder whether the Palestinian issue might have reached some sort of peaceful conclusion if the conflict hadn&#039;t assumed such symbolic importance (on both sides) in the West.  i.e. if Jews and Arabs were left to their own devices to sort out a solution between themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It is hard for me to belive, after all the work that brothers like Abdur-Rahman Idris and Ismail Kemal have done, that there are any serious Muslims who support an “intervention” in Sudan.</p></blockquote>
<p>I haven&#8217;t read anything from Abdur-Rahman Idris and would be interested in seeing anything that is available online.  I&#8217;ve read some pieces by Ismail Kemal in response to the calls for USC (I think) to divest from Sudan and he makes some compelling arguments against it.</p>
<p>As an aside, I wonder whether the Palestinian issue might have reached some sort of peaceful conclusion if the conflict hadn&#8217;t assumed such symbolic importance (on both sides) in the West.  i.e. if Jews and Arabs were left to their own devices to sort out a solution between themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Umar</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2006/09/28/why-we-shouldnt-support-intervention-in-darfur/comment-page-1/#comment-962</link>
		<dc:creator>Umar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is hard for me to belive, after all the work that brothers like Abdur-Rahman Idris and Ismail Kemal have done, that there are any serious Muslims who support an &quot;intervention&quot; in Sudan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is hard for me to belive, after all the work that brothers like Abdur-Rahman Idris and Ismail Kemal have done, that there are any serious Muslims who support an &#8220;intervention&#8221; in Sudan.</p>
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		<title>By: Thersites</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2006/09/28/why-we-shouldnt-support-intervention-in-darfur/comment-page-1/#comment-957</link>
		<dc:creator>Thersites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Sudan is one of the last colonial empires left in Africa and the present government has no authority beyond its weaponry it has less legitmacy than the rebels/independence fighters- who could no survive without popular support- as far as Darfur is concerned. Given the past record of the Sudanese government the only way to make sure it won&#039;t keep intervening murderously in Darfur is by making it withdraw lock, stock and militia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Sudan is one of the last colonial empires left in Africa and the present government has no authority beyond its weaponry it has less legitmacy than the rebels/independence fighters- who could no survive without popular support- as far as Darfur is concerned. Given the past record of the Sudanese government the only way to make sure it won&#8217;t keep intervening murderously in Darfur is by making it withdraw lock, stock and militia.</p>
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