Comments on: Ameer Ali on the Prophet of Allah (PBUH) http://austrolabe.com/2006/10/04/ameer-ali-on-the-prophet-of-allah-pbuh/ Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:17:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Ameer Ali’s Letter to The Australian | Austrolabe http://austrolabe.com/2006/10/04/ameer-ali-on-the-prophet-of-allah-pbuh/comment-page-1/#comment-1023 Ameer Ali’s Letter to The Australian | Austrolabe Fri, 06 Oct 2006 10:58:13 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2006/10/04/ameer-ali-on-the-prophet-of-allah-pbuh/#comment-1023 [...] Following his recent comments, Ameer Ali, former head of the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils and current chairman of the Prime Minister’s Muslim Community Reference Group has written an interesting letter to The Australian thanking them for their role in the ‘debate’ about Islam. I WOULD like to thank the editorial team of The Australian for encouraging an open debate and analysis of religious texts (”Brave stand on Muslim honesty”, Editorial, 5/10). [...] [...] Following his recent comments, Ameer Ali, former head of the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils and current chairman of the Prime Minister’s Muslim Community Reference Group has written an interesting letter to The Australian thanking them for their role in the ‘debate’ about Islam. I WOULD like to thank the editorial team of The Australian for encouraging an open debate and analysis of religious texts (”Brave stand on Muslim honesty”, Editorial, 5/10). [...]

]]> By: Law Student http://austrolabe.com/2006/10/04/ameer-ali-on-the-prophet-of-allah-pbuh/comment-page-1/#comment-1022 Law Student Fri, 06 Oct 2006 07:44:15 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2006/10/04/ameer-ali-on-the-prophet-of-allah-pbuh/#comment-1022 Baybers, i think you should author the post. It would be insightful. Baybers, i think you should author the post. It would be insightful.

]]> By: Baybers http://austrolabe.com/2006/10/04/ameer-ali-on-the-prophet-of-allah-pbuh/comment-page-1/#comment-1018 Baybers Fri, 06 Oct 2006 03:55:11 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2006/10/04/ameer-ali-on-the-prophet-of-allah-pbuh/#comment-1018 I think that there are so many things that one could say in response to Ameer Ali's comments that, like Amir I don't know where or even if to begin. But to give one example, the situation dealt with in Surah Abassa is a critique by Allah on his Prophet(PBUH) for substituting one correct action for another correct action of lesser value. It does not even concern personal sinfulness or even a wrong action. To make the leap from that and say that this demonstrates "character flaws" is a remarkable feat. One should ask, what unique gifts of scholarship, insight, linguistic and textual analysis skills he has exercised to reach this conclusion? And if there is no other textual or historical evidence then he has made an error of logic. There are other errors of logic, errors of history, errors of Quranic exegesis, errors of understanding. One would need to devote an entire post to it, and I'm not sure if I can summon up the interest to do so (unless there is a demand). I am glad that he confirms the Australian's report as this will allow Muslims to make up their own minds. I think that there are so many things that one could say in response to Ameer Ali’s comments that, like Amir I don’t know where or even if to begin.

But to give one example, the situation dealt with in Surah Abassa is a critique by Allah on his Prophet(PBUH) for substituting one correct action for another correct action of lesser value. It does not even concern personal sinfulness or even a wrong action. To make the leap from that and say that this demonstrates “character flaws” is a remarkable feat. One should ask, what unique gifts of scholarship, insight, linguistic and textual analysis skills he has exercised to reach this conclusion? And if there is no other textual or historical evidence then he has made an error of logic.

There are other errors of logic, errors of history, errors of Quranic exegesis, errors of understanding. One would need to devote an entire post to it, and I’m not sure if I can summon up the interest to do so (unless there is a demand).

I am glad that he confirms the Australian’s report as this will allow Muslims to make up their own minds.

]]> By: Law Student http://austrolabe.com/2006/10/04/ameer-ali-on-the-prophet-of-allah-pbuh/comment-page-1/#comment-1015 Law Student Fri, 06 Oct 2006 01:42:13 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2006/10/04/ameer-ali-on-the-prophet-of-allah-pbuh/#comment-1015 He did make the comments. I made contact with him. He said the prophet was not perfect because he turned the blind man away in surah abassa. I also asked him since when does a man with an economic degree become an "islamic scholar". He went on to compare himslef with Al Ghazali aka Gazel. He did make the comments. I made contact with him. He said the prophet was not perfect because he turned the blind man away in surah abassa.

I also asked him since when does a man with an economic degree become an “islamic scholar”. He went on to compare himslef with Al Ghazali aka Gazel.

]]> By: AU http://austrolabe.com/2006/10/04/ameer-ali-on-the-prophet-of-allah-pbuh/comment-page-1/#comment-1006 AU Wed, 04 Oct 2006 15:25:36 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2006/10/04/ameer-ali-on-the-prophet-of-allah-pbuh/#comment-1006 http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20527206-2702,00.html http://www.theaustralian.news......02,00.html

]]> By: Amir http://austrolabe.com/2006/10/04/ameer-ali-on-the-prophet-of-allah-pbuh/comment-page-1/#comment-1005 Amir Wed, 04 Oct 2006 13:32:03 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2006/10/04/ameer-ali-on-the-prophet-of-allah-pbuh/#comment-1005 The trouble with these comments -- assuming, of course, that he made them -- is that it is difficult to know where to begin. The idea, for example, that Muslim extremism is simply the result of a literalist interpretation of the Qu'ran is a simplistic and flawed idea. The root cause of most extremist groups is in the very sort of thing that Ameer Ali is proposing: a reinterpretation of classical Islamic jurisprudence to suit "modern realities". In Australia, those "modern realities" might be the demands of government but, in other settings, the realities by which the faith is reinterpreted might be the oppression of one's enemies. Whereas the former might lead to a reevaluation of such practices as polygny, the latter might lead one to conclude that killing women and children is permissable because the state in that particular country is also killing women and children. The trouble with these comments — assuming, of course, that he made them — is that it is difficult to know where to begin. The idea, for example, that Muslim extremism is simply the result of a literalist interpretation of the Qu’ran is a simplistic and flawed idea. The root cause of most extremist groups is in the very sort of thing that Ameer Ali is proposing: a reinterpretation of classical Islamic jurisprudence to suit “modern realities”. In Australia, those “modern realities” might be the demands of government but, in other settings, the realities by which the faith is reinterpreted might be the oppression of one’s enemies. Whereas the former might lead to a reevaluation of such practices as polygny, the latter might lead one to conclude that killing women and children is permissable because the state in that particular country is also killing women and children.

]]> By: Law Student http://austrolabe.com/2006/10/04/ameer-ali-on-the-prophet-of-allah-pbuh/comment-page-1/#comment-1004 Law Student Wed, 04 Oct 2006 11:21:37 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2006/10/04/ameer-ali-on-the-prophet-of-allah-pbuh/#comment-1004 After duhr prayers at uni, the current president of the MSA showed us this article. Seriously, this guy sounds like one shallow nutter. He has proved to be very self contradictory. Wasn't he the same guy who was telling Michelle Leslie she either has to dress like a Muslim or not be a Muslim at all? After duhr prayers at uni, the current president of the MSA showed us this article. Seriously, this guy sounds like one shallow nutter.

He has proved to be very self contradictory. Wasn’t he the same guy who was telling Michelle Leslie she either has to dress like a Muslim or not be a Muslim at all?

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