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		<title>By: My Dream - an Australian Institute of Islamic Studies &#171; Dezhen &#124;&#124; Creative Morality</title>
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		<dc:creator>My Dream - an Australian Institute of Islamic Studies &#171; Dezhen &#124;&#124; Creative Morality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 23:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The events over the last few weeks, noteably the media frenzy of some comments that Sh. Taj [see here, here, here, here and here for other Aussie bloggers posts, among others] made in a speech he gave during Ramadan, has got me thinking about one of the issues dear to me - what can be done in order to improve the lot of the Muslim community in the West? Specifically that of my current country of residence, Australia. The thought on this issue became even more pronounced once I began commenting on Samaha&#8217;s blog, specifically when it led to the discussion on the journal of theylion. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The events over the last few weeks, noteably the media frenzy of some comments that Sh. Taj [see here, here, here, here and here for other Aussie bloggers posts, among others] made in a speech he gave during Ramadan, has got me thinking about one of the issues dear to me &#8211; what can be done in order to improve the lot of the Muslim community in the West? Specifically that of my current country of residence, Australia. The thought on this issue became even more pronounced once I began commenting on Samaha&#8217;s blog, specifically when it led to the discussion on the journal of theylion. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Amir</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2006/10/30/24-hours-in-the-australian-media/comment-page-1/#comment-1845</link>
		<dc:creator>Amir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abdur-Rahman,  I&#039;ll try and find some references for you but the Taliban leadership were followers of the Deobandi school which is, like the majority of Pashtuns, hanafi in fiqh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abdur-Rahman,  I&#8217;ll try and find some references for you but the Taliban leadership were followers of the Deobandi school which is, like the majority of Pashtuns, hanafi in fiqh.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 07:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baybers:

&quot;I also strongly agree with your point that Hilali, should have been sacked, many many years ago when he made stupid, anti-Jewish remarks, which were no more than crude racist and unforgivable. He restated those remarks during the recent Lebanese conflict. It was unforgivable that the LMA has not shown him the door. It reflects very badly on all Muslims&quot;

and again

&quot;I also agree with non-Muslim commentators that some Muslim men do have a problem with their attitudes to women, attitudes that have clearly been fostered by their parents and religious leaders like Hilali.&quot;

Costello

&quot;PETER COSTELLO accused Australia&#039;s Muslims of tolerating a message of hate by Sheik Taj el-Din al Hilaly for a decade too long as the leading cleric stood down yesterday from preaching duties at Lakemba Mosque.

The Treasurer said tolerating Sheik Hilaly&#039;s speeches against women, Jews and the West had allowed him to influence behaviour in Australia, and could have contributed to the Cronulla riots and crimes such as the gang rapes led by Bilal and Mohammed Skaf.&quot;

&quot;These kinds of attitudes have actually influenced people,&quot; Mr Costello said in an interview with the Herald. &quot;So you wonder whether a kid like Bilal Skaf had grown up hearing these kind of attitudes&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baybers:</p>
<p>&#8220;I also strongly agree with your point that Hilali, should have been sacked, many many years ago when he made stupid, anti-Jewish remarks, which were no more than crude racist and unforgivable. He restated those remarks during the recent Lebanese conflict. It was unforgivable that the LMA has not shown him the door. It reflects very badly on all Muslims&#8221;</p>
<p>and again</p>
<p>&#8220;I also agree with non-Muslim commentators that some Muslim men do have a problem with their attitudes to women, attitudes that have clearly been fostered by their parents and religious leaders like Hilali.&#8221;</p>
<p>Costello</p>
<p>&#8220;PETER COSTELLO accused Australia&#8217;s Muslims of tolerating a message of hate by Sheik Taj el-Din al Hilaly for a decade too long as the leading cleric stood down yesterday from preaching duties at Lakemba Mosque.</p>
<p>The Treasurer said tolerating Sheik Hilaly&#8217;s speeches against women, Jews and the West had allowed him to influence behaviour in Australia, and could have contributed to the Cronulla riots and crimes such as the gang rapes led by Bilal and Mohammed Skaf.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;These kinds of attitudes have actually influenced people,&#8221; Mr Costello said in an interview with the Herald. &#8220;So you wonder whether a kid like Bilal Skaf had grown up hearing these kind of attitudes&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Amir</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2006/10/30/24-hours-in-the-australian-media/comment-page-1/#comment-1839</link>
		<dc:creator>Amir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I also think that the discussion here on Austrolabe is being used by pollies as a template to attack muslims, so you guys should be careful what you say here&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How is that the case?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I also think that the discussion here on Austrolabe is being used by pollies as a template to attack muslims, so you guys should be careful what you say here</p></blockquote>
<p>How is that the case?</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the Australian is now on a Muslim witch-hunt. I also think that the discussion here on Austrolabe is being used by pollies as a template to attack muslims, so you guys should be careful what you say here

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2006/10/30/1162056926607.html?from=top5</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the Australian is now on a Muslim witch-hunt. I also think that the discussion here on Austrolabe is being used by pollies as a template to attack muslims, so you guys should be careful what you say here</p>
<p><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2006/10/30/1162056926607.html?from=top5">http://www.smh.com.au/articles.....?from=top5</a></p>
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		<title>By: rabee</title>
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		<dc:creator>rabee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the topic but taking it to the near future. I envision that the comments by Hilali will be used by the usual motley crew  to open a debate on immigration.   In particular, to advocate for a discriminatory immigration policy in Australia. the debate will appear to be an assault on the Muslim community and on Islam. However, the things to remember are the following:

1) This is will be an attack on Australia&#039;s immigration policy; Muslims and Islam are incidental to such advocacy. In decades past east Asian immigrants were the focus of individuals wanting to open a debate on Australia&#039;s immigration policy. Indeed,  in the 1980&#039;s it was the Asian community that was in the sight of John Howard, then in the opposition.   So in summary this debate which is ongoing and is likely to flare-up  has little to do, in a specific way, with Muslim Australians, apart from the inconvenience that it creates because they will be the focus of a new articulation of an old debate.

2)     The debate is not unique to Australia. Right wing groups around the world are advocating a similar thing.  For example there is a vigorous xenophobic attack on French liberal traditions by the right in France.

3) The Muslim community must not be dragged into defending Islam against such an onslaught on  immigration . The best way to counter such advocacy is to identify it for what it is: a desire to return to the White Australia  policy. For this reason, in my opinion the best counter advocacy
is


This is a debate on Australia&#039;s immigration policy. It has as much to do with  Muslim community in Australia as any other Australian community.  It predates the main part of Muslim migration to the country. In fact, it has traditionally been a debate motivated by racism against the south east Asian community in Australia. 

Many people are still not happy with how far we have moved away from the White Australia policy and the little-apartheid that Australia used to be. 

The question here is do we want a fair immigration policy that does not discriminate based on race and culture, or do we want to return to the White Australia policy.  We believe that a non-discriminatory immigration policy is a basic Australian value, and that those who want to return us to the days of  White Australia are not in tune with contemporary Australian values. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the topic but taking it to the near future. I envision that the comments by Hilali will be used by the usual motley crew  to open a debate on immigration.   In particular, to advocate for a discriminatory immigration policy in Australia. the debate will appear to be an assault on the Muslim community and on Islam. However, the things to remember are the following:</p>
<p>1) This is will be an attack on Australia&#8217;s immigration policy; Muslims and Islam are incidental to such advocacy. In decades past east Asian immigrants were the focus of individuals wanting to open a debate on Australia&#8217;s immigration policy. Indeed,  in the 1980&#8217;s it was the Asian community that was in the sight of John Howard, then in the opposition.   So in summary this debate which is ongoing and is likely to flare-up  has little to do, in a specific way, with Muslim Australians, apart from the inconvenience that it creates because they will be the focus of a new articulation of an old debate.</p>
<p>2)     The debate is not unique to Australia. Right wing groups around the world are advocating a similar thing.  For example there is a vigorous xenophobic attack on French liberal traditions by the right in France.</p>
<p>3) The Muslim community must not be dragged into defending Islam against such an onslaught on  immigration . The best way to counter such advocacy is to identify it for what it is: a desire to return to the White Australia  policy. For this reason, in my opinion the best counter advocacy<br />
is</p>
<p>This is a debate on Australia&#8217;s immigration policy. It has as much to do with  Muslim community in Australia as any other Australian community.  It predates the main part of Muslim migration to the country. In fact, it has traditionally been a debate motivated by racism against the south east Asian community in Australia. </p>
<p>Many people are still not happy with how far we have moved away from the White Australia policy and the little-apartheid that Australia used to be. </p>
<p>The question here is do we want a fair immigration policy that does not discriminate based on race and culture, or do we want to return to the White Australia policy.  We believe that a non-discriminatory immigration policy is a basic Australian value, and that those who want to return us to the days of  White Australia are not in tune with contemporary Australian values.</p>
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		<title>By: Abdur-Rahman</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2006/10/30/24-hours-in-the-australian-media/comment-page-1/#comment-1829</link>
		<dc:creator>Abdur-Rahman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good job.

BTW do you have any sources on the talibans being strict hanafi followers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good job.</p>
<p>BTW do you have any sources on the talibans being strict hanafi followers?</p>
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		<title>By: Muslim Apple</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2006/10/30/24-hours-in-the-australian-media/comment-page-1/#comment-1827</link>
		<dc:creator>Muslim Apple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good work, maybe I should go call an &quot;umma&quot;. May Allah restore al-Hilali&#039;s health.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good work, maybe I should go call an &#8220;umma&#8221;. May Allah restore al-Hilali&#8217;s health.</p>
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		<title>By: Baybers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baybers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In this rendition of the timeless classic &quot;One flew over the cuckoo&#039;s nest&quot; ,Billy Bibbit is of course Ameer Ali and McMurphy is Sheikh Taj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this rendition of the timeless classic &#8220;One flew over the cuckoo&#8217;s nest&#8221; ,Billy Bibbit is of course Ameer Ali and McMurphy is Sheikh Taj</p>
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		<title>By: Baybers</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2006/10/30/24-hours-in-the-australian-media/comment-page-1/#comment-1825</link>
		<dc:creator>Baybers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually you should have have renamed this 24 hours in a lunatic asylum (with nurse Ratchet played by John Howard who disturbingly also looks like her although not as masculine as she is.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nurse_Ratched</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually you should have have renamed this 24 hours in a lunatic asylum (with nurse Ratchet played by John Howard who disturbingly also looks like her although not as masculine as she is.)</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nurse_Ratched">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nurse_Ratched</a></p>
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