Tariq Nelson on race, marriage and Black America

Tariq Nelson has opened up a can, actually a few cans, of worms and sent them racing across the floor over on his blog. After warning readers to leave their emotional baggage at the door, Tariq writes about African-Americans (AA) marrying other races and some of the motivations for it. For Muslims living outside the United States, the problems faced by AA Muslims don’t get much coverage.

But, as Tariq frequently points out, the AA community faces some serious challenges.

Of particular interest is the observation that there is a correlation between income and education, and mixed race marriages.

To illustrate this, at the highest income level ($100,000 and above) there are nearly as many black/non-black couples as there are black/black couples. (86,443 both-black couples vs 75,410 mixed race couples). On educational attainment, couples with graduate or professional degrees were again almost even, with 160,367 black/black couples vs 146,763 black/non-black couples (More information on this can be found at here) One also has to wonder how many of those high SES black/black couples include high-yellow (’Yella’)or redbone wives

The reason, Tariq suggests, is that as people rise in income, there comes with it the opportunity to effectively “opt out” of being black. In other words, ensuring the future children and grandchildren are “lightened up”.

Keeping those stats in mind, I stated my belief that America is moving away from a white/non-white dichotomy toward a black/non-black dichotomy. This means that it will be good to be anything but black in America. Once a black moves up the social ladder, he has the option to marry someone that is not black and give his/her children or grandchildren - depending on their appearance - the increasing chance to ‘opt out’ of being black.

The post continues to make some very cutting observations about racism in the Muslim world and some of the effects that this has had on other Muslims, particularly African Americans.

Reading the comments, of which there are now over 100, it becomes clear that many African-American women are unhappy with what appears to be a trend skewed towards AA men/non-AA women. As a result of so many of their menfolk marrying non-AA women, it has led to a surplus of AA women that are unable to find suitable husbands.

That trend can be seen more clearly in the following graph, taken from Steve Sailer’s 1997 article on the subject of interracial marriage for the National Review.

From reading the comments, it would seem that this disparity is present even within the AA Muslim community and that many AA Muslim women, particularly educated women, are finding it hard to find spouses because significant numbers of educated (and therefore upwardly mobile) AA Muslim men are gravitating towards non-AA women. As Aneesa writes:

The problem here is that African American men are the ones who are flocking to non-African American women in great numbers, however, the reverse can not be said. AA women have a hard enough time finding a good AA man as it is, so if we were to see an increase in inter-racial marriages, where would that leave AA women in all of this?

Of course, AA men marrying non-AA women is not the issue. There’s nothing particularly offensive about that and it could almost be seen as a healthy sign of a society that has become more enlightened as to issues of race. The real problem is that AA women are now finding it hard to marry men of equivalent education and social status and are either having to remain single or marry beneath themselves.

One possible reason why educated and upwardly mobile AA men may gravitate towards non-AA women is because in order to reach that position, the men have had to engage in behaviour that is considered by many of their peers to be, “acting white”. In other words, by the time they reach the point of being able to get married, they have, through their good grades and hard work, found themselves alienated from the rest of their community. That good grades are associated with imitating whites and poorer social interaction with other minorities is born out, for example, by research [PDF] by Fryer and Torrelli. They found:

Among whites, higher grades yield higher popularity. For Blacks, higher achievement is associated with modestly higher popularity until a grade point average of 3.5, when the slope turns negative. A black student with a 4.0 has, on average, 1.5 fewer same-race friends than a white student with a 4.0. Among Hispanics, there is little change in popularity from a grade point average of 1 through 2.5. After 2.5, the gradient turns sharply negative. A Hispanic student with a 4.0 grade point average is the least popular of all Hispanic students, and has 3 fewer friends than a typical white student with a 4.0 grade point average. Put differently, evaluated at the sample mean, a one standard deviation increase in grades is associated with roughly a .103 standard deviation decrease in social status for Blacks and a .171 standard deviation decrease for Hispanics. For students with a 3.5 grade point average or better, the effect triples.

It is, of course, an extraordinarily complex issue and I don’t think there is any one explanation or solution to the problem.  Mercifully, it is an issue that I don’t believe we face in Australia.  Although there may be many Muslim men choosing to marry non-Muslim women, I suspect that any reduction in the supply of suitable men would be offset by immigration.  However, it would be interesting to see any statistics on inter-religious marriage in Muslim Australia before assuming we don’t have any issues. 

12 comments ↓

#1 Tariq Nelson on 11.09.06 at 8:29 pm

as-salaam alaykum,

Is there a similar phenomenon in Australia with Aboriginals and Aboriginal Muslims inter-marrying?

#2 Amir on 11.09.06 at 9:02 pm

wa alaikum as-salaam

I’m not sure of current statistics, Tariq, but 64% of couples involving an aboriginal person were mixed (i.e. only one of them was inigenous) as at 1998. In around 55% of these marriages, the indigenous partner was the woman. These figures have been steadily increasing over time, so I would expect that the figures would be slightly higher today.

As for Aboriginal Muslims, I am unaware of any statistics or studies but all of the aboriginal men that I know are married to non-aboriginal women. I know of one female convert and she is also married to a non-aboriginal man.

#3 Shadower on 11.09.06 at 10:47 pm

Just a thought here:

But wouldn’t the problem then be within the ‘AA’ community if getting good grades is stereotyped as “acting white”? Which seems to be the root cause of this problem.

#4 Tariq Nelson on 11.10.06 at 12:24 am

Amir:

So, I’d say that the aboriginals are blending at a faster rate than AA’s here in the US, who still largely live segregated.

Here in the US, the achievers are the ones ‘opting out’

Shadower:

Yes, many (if not most) problems that exist in the AA community are tied directly back to a culture of underachievement. (And many converts bring this culture INTO Islam with them and it is often given the clothing of piety)

The desire to not have their children affected by this culture of underachievement also makes the achievers want to seperate themselves and blend into “non-blackness”. Many may not explicitly say that they are doing this, but it is what is happening nonetheless.

#5 Umar on 11.10.06 at 4:00 am

One of the reasons AA issues do not get covered that much is that AA Muslims, and other American-Muslims, are too busy carrying water for immigrant Muslims and their causes.

#6 Umm Adam on 11.10.06 at 6:20 am

Amir stated, The real problem is that AA women are now finding it hard to marry men of equivalent education and social status and are either having to remain single or marry beneath themselves.
Where is our third option? We can choose to marry non AA men. Not all of us are loyal to our race.

#7 Amir on 11.10.06 at 9:14 am

Of course, Umm Adam. I didn’t mean to suggest that this wasn’t an option. It’s just that the impression I got from reading the comments on Tariq’s post and elsewhere was that this wasn’t as easy for AA women as it was for AA men.

#8 Umm Yasmin on 11.10.06 at 9:38 am

*Musing* I wonder what the implications are for whites opting to marry non-whites. I.e. are they (or insuring their children do) opting out of being white?

#9 RPG on 11.10.06 at 10:37 pm

One of the reasons AA issues do not get covered that much is that AA Muslims, and other American-Muslims, are too busy carrying water for immigrant Muslims and their causes.

What do you mean?

#10 Umm Adam on 11.11.06 at 3:18 am

Amir, I think it is a viable option. However, most AA women don’t want to marry non AA. When my (white)dh was looking for a wife. he went to several AA Muslim communities (Philly, East Orange, DC) and nobody was interested in him. I was never interested in marryng a white person either. It was somethig I had never given thought to until I got the proposal from my dh. Even then I was hoping he had darker features. I remember asking him on the phone to desrcibe himself. I wanted to know just how white was he. I was hoping he was a darker Itlian type of white guy…NOT! Masha’Allah.

Which leads me to Umm Yasmin. I don’t really think there are implications when whites opt out and marry non whites. I don’t think it’s really that deep for them. In most cases it is purely a matter of attraction (and that’s saying it mildly).

#11 Bin Gregory Productions on 11.14.06 at 1:22 pm

American Muslims, marriage and race…

what of those who do exercise a preferential option for non-white spouses? Well, I think there are two main reasons, conscious or unconscious

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#12 toidi on 12.10.07 at 6:39 pm

Umm Adam said:

Where is our third option? We can choose to marry non AA men. Not all of us are loyal to our race.

I am really surprised that for many AA women, loyal to race is so paramount. I’d be just as disappointed in a brother/sister if they said that they’d only marry Arab or White or Pakistani or African. A lot of AA Muslimas feel that they need to have a black husband. I’d say marry someone on your level spiritually and intellectually instead of marrying down for reasons of race. Such idealism seems close to nationalism (not fond of this either). It’s the prophetic thing to do, is it not?

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