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	<title>Comments on: Tariq Nelson on race, marriage and Black America</title>
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		<title>By: toidi</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2006/11/09/tariq-nelson-on-race-marriage-and-black-america/comment-page-1/#comment-57065</link>
		<dc:creator>toidi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umm Adam said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Where is our third option? We can choose to marry non AA men. Not all of us are loyal to our race.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I am really surprised that for many AA women, loyal to race is so paramount. I&#039;d be just as disappointed in a brother/sister if they said that they&#039;d only marry Arab or White or Pakistani or African. A lot of AA Muslimas feel that they need to have a black husband. I&#039;d say marry someone on your level spiritually and intellectually instead of marrying down for reasons of race. Such idealism seems close to nationalism (not fond of this either). It&#039;s the prophetic thing to do, is it not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm Adam said:</p>
<blockquote><p>Where is our third option? We can choose to marry non AA men. Not all of us are loyal to our race.</p></blockquote>
<p>I am really surprised that for many AA women, loyal to race is so paramount. I&#8217;d be just as disappointed in a brother/sister if they said that they&#8217;d only marry Arab or White or Pakistani or African. A lot of AA Muslimas feel that they need to have a black husband. I&#8217;d say marry someone on your level spiritually and intellectually instead of marrying down for reasons of race. Such idealism seems close to nationalism (not fond of this either). It&#8217;s the prophetic thing to do, is it not?</p>
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		<title>By: Bin Gregory Productions</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2006/11/09/tariq-nelson-on-race-marriage-and-black-america/comment-page-1/#comment-2179</link>
		<dc:creator>Bin Gregory Productions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;American Muslims, marriage and race...&lt;/strong&gt;

what of those who do exercise a preferential option for non-white spouses?  Well, I think there are two main reasons, conscious or unconscious

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>American Muslims, marriage and race&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>what of those who do exercise a preferential option for non-white spouses?  Well, I think there are two main reasons, conscious or unconscious</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Umm Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Umm Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amir, I think it is a viable option. However, most AA women don&#039;t want to marry non AA. When my (white)dh was looking for a wife. he went to several AA Muslim communities (Philly, East Orange, DC) and nobody was interested in him. I was never interested in marryng a white person either. It was somethig I had never given thought to until I got the proposal from my dh. Even then I was hoping he had darker features. I remember asking him on the phone to desrcibe himself. I wanted to know just how white was he. I was hoping he was a darker Itlian type of white guy...NOT! Masha&#039;Allah.

Which leads me to Umm Yasmin. I don&#039;t really think there are implications when whites opt out and marry non whites. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s really that deep for them. In most cases it is purely a matter of attraction (and that&#039;s saying it mildly).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amir, I think it is a viable option. However, most AA women don&#8217;t want to marry non AA. When my (white)dh was looking for a wife. he went to several AA Muslim communities (Philly, East Orange, DC) and nobody was interested in him. I was never interested in marryng a white person either. It was somethig I had never given thought to until I got the proposal from my dh. Even then I was hoping he had darker features. I remember asking him on the phone to desrcibe himself. I wanted to know just how white was he. I was hoping he was a darker Itlian type of white guy&#8230;NOT! Masha&#8217;Allah.</p>
<p>Which leads me to Umm Yasmin. I don&#8217;t really think there are implications when whites opt out and marry non whites. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s really that deep for them. In most cases it is purely a matter of attraction (and that&#8217;s saying it mildly).</p>
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		<title>By: RPG</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2006/11/09/tariq-nelson-on-race-marriage-and-black-america/comment-page-1/#comment-2088</link>
		<dc:creator>RPG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;One of the reasons AA issues do not get covered that much is that AA Muslims, and other American-Muslims, are too busy carrying water for immigrant Muslims and their causes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What do you mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>One of the reasons AA issues do not get covered that much is that AA Muslims, and other American-Muslims, are too busy carrying water for immigrant Muslims and their causes.</p></blockquote>
<p>What do you mean?</p>
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		<title>By: Umm Yasmin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Umm Yasmin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 23:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*Musing* I wonder what the implications are for whites opting to marry non-whites.  I.e. are they (or insuring their children do) opting out of being white?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*Musing* I wonder what the implications are for whites opting to marry non-whites.  I.e. are they (or insuring their children do) opting out of being white?</p>
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		<title>By: Amir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 23:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, Umm Adam.  I didn&#039;t mean to suggest that this wasn&#039;t an option.  It&#039;s just that the impression I got from reading the comments on Tariq&#039;s post and elsewhere was that this wasn&#039;t as easy for AA women as it was for AA men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, Umm Adam.  I didn&#8217;t mean to suggest that this wasn&#8217;t an option.  It&#8217;s just that the impression I got from reading the comments on Tariq&#8217;s post and elsewhere was that this wasn&#8217;t as easy for AA women as it was for AA men.</p>
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		<title>By: Umm Adam</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2006/11/09/tariq-nelson-on-race-marriage-and-black-america/comment-page-1/#comment-2063</link>
		<dc:creator>Umm Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 20:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amir stated, &lt;i&gt;The real problem is that AA women are now finding it hard to marry men of equivalent education and social status and are either having to remain single or marry beneath themselves.&lt;/i&gt;
Where is our third option? We can choose to marry non AA men. Not all of us are loyal to our race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amir stated, <i>The real problem is that AA women are now finding it hard to marry men of equivalent education and social status and are either having to remain single or marry beneath themselves.</i><br />
Where is our third option? We can choose to marry non AA men. Not all of us are loyal to our race.</p>
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		<title>By: Umar</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2006/11/09/tariq-nelson-on-race-marriage-and-black-america/comment-page-1/#comment-2058</link>
		<dc:creator>Umar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 18:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the reasons AA issues do not get covered that much is that AA Muslims, and other American-Muslims, are too busy carrying water for immigrant Muslims and their causes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the reasons AA issues do not get covered that much is that AA Muslims, and other American-Muslims, are too busy carrying water for immigrant Muslims and their causes.</p>
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		<title>By: Tariq Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tariq Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amir:

So, I&#039;d say that the aboriginals are blending at a faster rate than AA&#039;s here in the US, who still largely live segregated.

Here in the US, the achievers are the ones &#039;opting out&#039;

Shadower:

Yes, many (if not most) problems that exist in the AA community are tied directly back to a culture of underachievement. (And many converts bring this culture INTO Islam with them and it is often given the clothing of piety)

The desire to not have their children affected by this culture of underachievement also makes the achievers want to seperate themselves and blend into &quot;non-blackness&quot;. Many may not explicitly say that they are doing this, but it is what is happening nonetheless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amir:</p>
<p>So, I&#8217;d say that the aboriginals are blending at a faster rate than AA&#8217;s here in the US, who still largely live segregated.</p>
<p>Here in the US, the achievers are the ones &#8216;opting out&#8217;</p>
<p>Shadower:</p>
<p>Yes, many (if not most) problems that exist in the AA community are tied directly back to a culture of underachievement. (And many converts bring this culture INTO Islam with them and it is often given the clothing of piety)</p>
<p>The desire to not have their children affected by this culture of underachievement also makes the achievers want to seperate themselves and blend into &#8220;non-blackness&#8221;. Many may not explicitly say that they are doing this, but it is what is happening nonetheless.</p>
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		<title>By: Shadower</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shadower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 12:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a thought here: 

But wouldn&#039;t the problem then be within the &#039;AA&#039; community if getting good grades is stereotyped as &quot;acting white&quot;? Which seems to be the root cause of this problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a thought here: </p>
<p>But wouldn&#8217;t the problem then be within the &#8216;AA&#8217; community if getting good grades is stereotyped as &#8220;acting white&#8221;? Which seems to be the root cause of this problem.</p>
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