OK, imagine for one moment that you are a grandmother and you wish to register your anger over recent comments made by Sydney’s Sheikh Taj al-Hilaly. You want to send a powerful message that you are not a piece of uncovered meat. What do you do?
That’s right. First, you wait a few weeks until the story has dropped out of the media. Then, you strip down to a bikini, rally a bunch of other women to dress likewise, and, finally, you stage a protest march that ends at a different mosque in a different city; a mosque that is led by a different Muslim leader who has publicly repudiated the comments made by Sheikh Taj. And what day do you choose for this powerful expression of girl power? The 1st anniversary of the Cronulla riots, of course.
This all sounds rather silly but that is exactly what Melbourne grandmother Christine Hawkins has organised: her Great Australian Bikini March is being sponsored by a company called True Blue Productions and is supported by the White Supremacist Community who appear to be rallying the troops for the march; a march sensitively scheduled to take place on the 9th December, the first anniversary of the Cronulla riots.
Aside from the obvious question of why would anybody bother, a more pressing question is how should the people attending the mosque respond? Leave suggestions in the comments.
UPDATE: Andrew Bolt describes the march as “confrontational bigotry” and calls the sponsor a “xenophobic clothing company”.
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Well one hopes that the brothers will lower their gaze.
As the Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy says, don’t panic. They should stay calm, don’t stage a counter-protest or do anything that is going to give the media something to show on the 6 o’clock news. You want to give everyone a complete anti-climax because they are all going to be looking for some action.
Maybe do something positive in response like organise lunch for them when they arrive?
Perhaps close that particular mosque for the rally and pray elsewhere so there are no media grabs of Muslims.
Basically as on Umm Yasmin said, just shut the doors for the day. The best response, both for the short-run and the long-run, is to generate the maximum amount of boredom possible.
I seriously hope they close their centre for the day. I don’t know how many women will actually attend the rally but, reading that Stormfront site, it does seem like there will be some neo-nazis coming along. The whole thing is a recipe for confrontation and I fear that no matter what the leaders of that parrticular organisation might say to their followers, there will always be people that are just too hot headed and will react badly. The media will be there because now they are expecting problems.
As an aside, the neo-nazis on that Stormfront site also mention they are planning a rally in Sydney to commemorate Cronulla with one possible strategy being to march on Lakemba mosque. As that site was used to organise the neo-nazi presence at the Cronulla riots, I hope that the authorities are looking into this.
rather than avoid the situation, I suggest that the Muslims there, must also participate,(in bikinis and feather boas)
That would continue our fascination with absurd public posturing that is rife within some sections of the self proclaimed “fundamentalist” community
It would also send a message that we are to be taken seriously and not to be trifled with.
Perhaps then someone from ICV could get up and say how wearing a feather boa and bikini is actually part of normative Islamic practice, and that an interfaith bikini parade would now be appropriate
Yay. Let’s prove that women are not raw meat by exposing our naked flesh and marching on a mosque!
The centre is IISCA in Brunswick. He has said some controversial stuff about rape too.
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline.....778265.htm
no musty he did not
perhaps he did not express himself at all well, but his comments were restricted to the duration of the initial sentence one of the rapists received. That is not controversial, as the court of appeal agreed the sentence was too long.
he also said that the victim was not blame.
which part of this is controversial?
Musty what Shaikh Muhammad Omran said about rape was not controversial at all.
Though he did say that a rapist receives the death penalty under Islamic Law, though he did not say that Australia should necessarily follow this, but that at least show equality in their meting out of punishments.
The question asked was why did the Muslims get such harsh sentences whilst others get lesser prison terms?
And personally I wonder that as well. Though in my opinion the state should not be wasting tax payers money on such scum and just bring in capital punishment to deal with rapists and murderers.
But that is not going to happen in Australia, so at the very least we should be showing equality in our meting out of punishments for similar crimes.
As for the Bikini march, now that the neo-nazis are involved there is no reasoning with such narrow minded people and the Muslims should stay away. Sadly there is still the risk of some idiots getting drunk and doing stupid things like what happened last year considering The Brunswick Hotel is right on the corner there.
But if no one is there the worst they could do is trash IISCA, so I would advise the brothers to take whatever they deem valuable out the night before as a precaution.
Also I do hope the authorities are doing something about this. If this is allowed to occur two years running, that will not go down well amongst the hot headed youth.
Hopefully the day passes with no incident.
If we have to question this sentence, a better question would be: why did the judge give Bilal Skaf and his rapist friends a reasonable sentence but so many of the other rapists and child molesters get off so lightly?
That would be a better way to put the question. Because it would not be with the harsh sentence that the disagreement is with, but rather with the light sentence generally given for such a heinous crime.
If we have to question this sentence, a better question would be: why did the judge give Bilal Skaf and his rapist friends a reasonable sentence but so many of the other rapists and child molesters get off so lightly?
I don’t accept that that’s the case. Bilal and Mohammed Skaf’s actions were particularly abhorrent. The victim was sixteen years old. She had previously been a friend of Mohammed, whom whe knew as “Sam”. He phoned her, and suggested that she come with him on a drive to the city. She got permission from her mother, and he arranged to collect her. When he got to her house there were two other men with him, so she sat in the back seat next to Mohammed. During the drive the men were frequently talking on their phones in Arabic, a language which she could not understand [from what happens next I presume thatthey were arranging a gang rape]
Here’s an excerpt from the judgment:
3] In due course the car parked in a parking area beside Gosling Park. The two men in the front seat got out, leaving Mohammed Skaf alone with the complainant. He commenced making sexual advances towards her, but she rebuffed him and he desisted. He then left, and Ibrahim got into the car and also started making sexual advances towards her. She again resisted, and eventually she got out of the car. While she was out of the car, a white van pulled into in the carpark, followed shortly behind by a blue car. Eight men got out of the white van and three more from the blue car. They were obviously known to Ibrahim, who went over and talked to them. The driver of the white van was Bilal Skaf. He came over to the complainant and introduced himself as “Sam’s brother Sam”. He asked her if she would like to go for a walk. She declined, saying that she was waiting for Sam. He insisted, and after a little while he grabbed her beneath her hair and called out “Allah, boys Allah.” At that point some of the other men came over and assisted Bilal Skaf dragging the complainant across the park. They reached a point near a pump shed, where she was placed on the ground. There she was held down by several of the men and part of her clothing was removed. The complainant was crying and screaming and trying to escape. Bilal Skaf said “this one is a feisty one”, and then proceeded to have sexual intercourse with her whilst she was being held down This constituted the first charge of aggravated sexual assault.[4] After Bilal Skaf had finished, another man came over saying “it’s my turn now”, and proceeded also to have sexual intercourse with the complainant. This constitutes the second offence charged against Bilal Skaf, he being there as an aider and abettor.[5] During all this time, according to the complainant, the men were standing around laughing and talking in their own language. After the second act of sexual intercourse, one of the men placed a handgun against her head. The same man kicked her in the stomach. At that stage she was in grave fear for her life. She got up and ran extremely fast across the park and through the parking area where the three vehicles had been left.. She could hear the men running after her. One of them, a man with a ponytail, tried to lure her into the white van. She kept on running and finally reached a phone box on the corner diagonally opposite the car park. She picked up the telephone but she did not know who to ring, as she did not want her mother to see her in that state. At this point the man with the pony tail approached in the white van. He had a gun underneath his jacket and he commanded that she get into the van. The complainant refused. She was screaming throughout this time. […]
This does not sound like a typical crime to me. It sounds like a premeditated decision to destroy a young girl’s life after charming and seducing her. But wait! There’s more!
In the same month Bilal committed two other gang rapes. Two days earlier he participated in the gang rape of two year twelve students. He forced them to … engage in oral sex on him. And two weeks later Bilal and Mohammed raped again. So their total sentences reflects a whole lot of rapes the punishment for which (as is standard practice) has been reduced in total because of a legal principle that many individual crimes are punishable as one larger and more serious crime. If this wasn’t the rule then someone who stole a hundred radios would serve a longer sentence than a murderer.
So. Bilal was the leader and organiser of a large group of rapists. He organised the seduction and rape of a sixteen year old girl. He’s committed at least four rapes - and other offences. Can you identify anyone who committed comparable crimes and received a lighter sentence?
Joe, I wasn’t suggesting that people were committing comparable crimes and getting off lightly. Rather, I was pointing out that when Muslims talk about the Skaf trial they often hold the Skaf trial out as an example of judicial harshness or excessiveness; thus implying that other (non-Muslim) rapists receive disproportionately lighter sentences. I think the Skaf trials were horrific and Skaf and his rapist friends deserve the punishment they got and no Muslim should say one word in defence or support of these little monsters who, by turning rape into a hate-crime against non-Muslim Australian girls did untold damage to the Muslim community in this country; damage that continues to this day.
However, it is my observation that many of the sentences handed out to rapists are (at least by my standards and the standards of many of my colleagues) manifestly inadequate. For example, last week a judge in Tasmania sentenced some rapists to just five years jail for raping two elderly women in their 80s.
Of course, there are orders of magnitude and shades of gray, but I would prefer that anybody that rapes or sexually assaults someone gets a sentence closer to the Skaf side of the sentencing continuum than 5 years or a non-custodial sentence.
THANK YOU JOE!
As much as it made me sick to read the excerpt from the judgement above of what these sick and worthless so called human beings did to our INNOCENT girl and other women on there appauling RAPE LIST,i can only defend this bikini march in protest that we want our country back like it use to be… A SAFE,NON VIOLENT AND BEAUTIFUL AND KIND COUNTRY WE ONCE HAD, we all miss those days and we all know theres only one way to get it back!
WE ALL SHOULD BE HONOURED TO LIVE IN THIS GREAT PLACE, AND IN RETURN RESPECT THE PEOPLE AND ITS SURROUNDINGS!
Angela,
1. How will marching, arm in arm with neo-Nazis, to a mosque that has nothing to do with Sh Taj many weeks after his comments were made possibly achieve a “safe, non-violent and beautiful and kind country”?
2. How do you reconcile such a confrontational act as marching in bikinis to a place of worship with “respecting people”?
I approve the bikini march if only good looking women take part in it, otherwise not worth it and will turn into a joke!
I have a grandfather who fought the Nazis in WW2, and it makes me sick to see this woman, Angela who is happy to march alongside Neo Nazis and claim to be defending Australia,
If you love Nazis so much why don’t you piss off to the fatherland
Angela,
Your bigotry is very thinly veiled
Firstly the victim of the gang rape is “ours” anymore than she is “theirs”, she is an Australian. When the girl in Weribee ( Melbourne) was raped by a gang of teenage white boys who then urinated on her, both the perps and the victims were “ours” to borrow your phrase, but I don’t see you organising a march in front of that school.
You are no more than an opportunistic guttersnipe that associates with Nazis. Why don’t you have the courage to denounce the Neo-nazis who want to come to this “peaceful march”
Our beautiful country would be much more attractive if both you and the Skaf family would both leave.
Anyway one of the ways that you can tell if someone is a true Australian, is that they can communicate in English which clearly you cannot otherwise you would spell “appauling” correctly.
Was grade 1 the hardest three years of your life ?
*Amir…We woman have the right in this country to wear what we want,and voice and stand up for OUR RIGHTS!
*Zamboli…Love your sense of humour,thank god some ones got it here!! xox..You (wont) turn away if you see me in my bikini baby..lol!
*Penny…How DARE YOU claim im part of some crap kkk/neo nazi campaigne,god-do u know how to twist someones blog around?Half of my friends who were sitting next to me here the night i wrote my last statement were italian,greek,german an asian and aussies..they all had there say in it,i just put my name down as we were in a rush to go out and i was the one typing what we were >ALLS: And i wont be reading your responses,as i dont have time for crap n lies!
Sorry penny…my blog about you only half printed,probably for the best as you rubbed me the WROOOONG way with your neo-nazi RIDICULOUS comment, lucky you missed out on what i really think of you,its not worth waisting my time writting it again but my part jewish malefriend thinks your a laugh,considering he knows me and you dont!
Now GAV…we think your the best of them all?
We all cried inref to the girl in werribee incedent,it was even more disgusting as aussie men are bought up to RESPECT WOMEN,but some bastards never learn,so color has nothing to do with it idiot,so dont twist our words!
If we want to march with or without a bikini,or have a dildo on our head for that matter we will..We can!
Everyone has a right to protest or march about anything they want in this country!
We have muslim friends at work,they are women and the storys they tell us of how they are treated in a every day to day way is pathetic..”apparently” men have rights, there women dont,and they hate there life but are threatened with death or violence if they speak up!
Now this is coming from the “horses mouth”,so is this what you want to stand up for?…not we,NO WAY!
Yes theres good n bad in all,but when you see whats happening on a daily basis then its got to be true..the majority anyway?
Just because some of us have the guts to say it the way it is as most whisper this behind closed doors,DOES NOT MEAN WE ARE RACIEST OR EVEN WORSE, WITH NEO-NAZI…i mean how stupids that?
As for my spelling mistake of sin,you are saying that only true aussies can spell?..now theres a raciest remark in that!
And yeah gav,ironically i was raped in grade one so i guess my english classes were neglected in some way as i dont remember much about learning that year?SORRY anal spelling nerdman,even though we have put more spelling errors in here just to keep u occupied?xoxox
Gavin,
You can’t be serious.
Skaf and his crew turned the issue racial by making it and “us” and “them” issue.
While raping those poor girls he said they “deserved it” because they were “Aussie s**s” and that they were going to be “f****d Leb style” The very fact that he was attacking those girls for being Australian shows that he does not consider himself one. Semilar anti-Australian comments are made to Sydney girls all the time. Ask any young, pretty Cascasian girl in Sydney and you’ll get at least one story of a carload of Lebanese gangs driving by, calling out some ethnically-based insult, usually follow by a threat of rape or violence. The “Lions of Lebanon” are one of the main perpetrators of this kind of mentality and activity. To say that they attacked those girls irrespective of their race is pure fantasy. You obviously want to pretend that there was no racial element for the sake of political correctness. The very reason Cronulla happened was because police applied the same blind policies to the attacks on that community by the same type of gangs.
When Muslims like Hilali make comments like he does, its all hushed over by the left wing, when someone organises a march against Omran, who supported Hilali, you call it racist.
I might also mention that two Cascasian girls were gang raped by another ground of Islamic boys less then 2km from Omran’s mosque.
I wonder if these boys have been listening to the “wisdom” of Omran’s hateful extremist preachings which no doubt echo Hilali’s.
“DOES NOT MEAN WE ARE RACIEST OR EVEN WORSE, WITH NEO-NAZI…”
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I presume you meant to say racist
havee a neice dai wunt u angela , where some son screem wont yoi whun u do da goose steep in yer bicni
remember, Centerlink closes at 5pm, but needles are available from chemists well into the evening
Hi Paul,
The bulk of your evidence suggest it is a “leb problem” , so why is your conclusion that it is a “Muslim problem”?
Just wondering.
Paul almost all of your assertions are false or deliberate distortions
1. No one is saying that these rapes were not racially motivated, what I am saying is that why do you use it to further divide Australia along racial lines by continuing the “us and them” rhetoric ?
2.”I might also mention that two Cascasian girls were gang raped by another ground of Islamic boys less then 2km from Omran’s mosque.”
Do you have any proof of this, if not I will assume it is a lie ? Anyway how do you know the religious affiliation of the perps and how do you know that they were under the instructions of Omran?
I am sure the webmaster here has your IP address and can forward it to anyone who feels that you have libelled them in a public forum, perhaps you had better get a lawyer
3 “Omran, who supported Hilali, you call it racist.” Two lies, the first is that Omran condemned Hillais comments, go to his website and read it for yourself, the second is that I didn’t call it racist as much as you invoked race to justify your hatred of Muslims. The white supremacist website stormfront is advertising the march to its members and urging them to take part.
4 ” its all hushed over by the left wing” it was saturation media coverage all over the world for two weeks, so your assertion is so deluded that you must have been in rehab for that period not to know it.
5. “Semilar anti-Australian comments are made to Sydney girls all the time. Ask any young, pretty Cascasian girl in Sydney and you’ll get at least one story of a carload of Lebanese gangs driving by, calling out some ethnically-based insult, usually follow by a threat of rape or violence”
Once again, this sort of statement is a typical lie that is un-provable and undeniable.
Ask any decent law abiding Muslim and they will tell you that all white Australians called Paul are centerlink abusing junkies who urinate on the street. Its a fact, everyone knows it, just ask anyone.
I don’t believe you care at all about women’s safety, you only care when rape becomes a racial issue and allows you to express your sentiments under the cover of protecting women. You are happy to defame people to prove your point (without any evidence).
Paul, every reasonable Australian reading your comments knows exactly what sort of creature you are, and the more you post the more they will be repulsed by you.
when Angela becomes Steve
Its time to put Angela’s charade here to an end
“Angela” has posted 3 comments here, leaving aside their contents, they appear on first blush to be a simple but misguided support of free speech etc… She makes an almost noble point here:
“We have muslim friends at work,they are women and the storys they tell us of how they are treated in a every day to day way is pathetic..”apparently” men have rights, there women dont,and they hate there life but are threatened with death or violence if they speak up”
and several other incoherent but apparently genuine emotions. Scratch the surface and it becomes clear what lurks beneath. This from a comment from the same email and IP address, posted as “Steve”
“HES GOT TO BE A FILTHY LEBO/MUSLIM THAT HAS A HATERED FOR ALL AUSTRALIANS,AND IS JUST USING SOME AUSSIE NAME LIKE GAVIN TO COVER UP HIS GREASY SMELLY SKIN!”
and again later is his magnum opus
GAV/MUSTAFA!! F…K OFF,AND IF YOU ARE GOING TO BOW DOWN TO PREY,MAKE SURE YOU PREY THAT THIS GOVERMENT FINALLY GETS THE BALLS TO F…K YOUR DISRESPECTFUL TYPE BACK OFF TO YOUR HOMELAND OF HATRED AND VIOLENCE AND F…..N STAY THERE UNTILL YOU ARE A… F….D AND BLEED TO DEATH BY YOUR OWN SICK BUDDYS
Steve shares Angela’s woeful spelling and limited polemic imagery, he also shares that curious habit of inadequate people of typing in capitals to convey depth of emotion or shouting.
and again
“SPELL CHECK ME LOOSER?”
we did, and the spell checker was begging for mercy, Angela/Steve, even your spell checker is an idiot.
Angela/Steve’s apparent reasonableness gives way rapidly to their real feelings about Muslims and illustrate the type of people who will be marching in the “peaceful” march.
“OH AND ANGELA AND FRIENDS,YOU WALK THAT MARCH IN YOUR BIKINI,ITS OBVIOUS THAT YOU HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY NAZI’S,THAT COMMENT MADE ME LAUGH SO MUCH,ALL BECAUSE YOU WANT TO STAND YOUR GROUND,YOUR ALL OF A SUDDEN SOME NAZI LOVER,…LOL..WHAT NEXT!YOU GO GIRLS,THERE WILL BE A S….LOAD OF AUSSIE MEN SUPPORTING YOU THATS FOR SURE”
You do yourself a disservice, Steve my man, you are a shitload all by yourself
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