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		<title>By: Amir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 09:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve Forbes on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/index.php/blog/individual/a_new_idea_from_steve_forbes/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Iraq&lt;/a&gt;:
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His prescription for Iraq was characteristically straight and novel. Much of the fighting, he observed, is rooted in the issue of who controls the country&#039;s oil wealth. He proposed a solution rather like the Permanent Fund, set up in Alaska in 1976 during the construction of the oil pipeline there. A quarter of all the state&#039;s oil royalties are invested in the fund, and the dividends – typically around $600-$1500 per person – are divided equally between every Alaska resident.

Such a scheme would give every Iraqi an incentive to make sure that oil production and distribution, and all the rest of the economy that depended on it, took place both efficiently and peaceably. The great majority of the population, with real cash at stake, would put pressure on the militants to end their damaging activities. After that, he thought, peace could be maintained by a Swiss canton system, in which local groups had a great deal of autonomy over their own affairs.

An interesting idea, and maybe worth a try. After all, stranger things have happened. Indeed, Iraq is one of those countries which have adopted the flat tax. &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Forbes on <a href="http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/index.php/blog/individual/a_new_idea_from_steve_forbes/" rel="nofollow">Iraq</a>:</p>
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His prescription for Iraq was characteristically straight and novel. Much of the fighting, he observed, is rooted in the issue of who controls the country&#8217;s oil wealth. He proposed a solution rather like the Permanent Fund, set up in Alaska in 1976 during the construction of the oil pipeline there. A quarter of all the state&#8217;s oil royalties are invested in the fund, and the dividends – typically around $600-$1500 per person – are divided equally between every Alaska resident.</p>
<p>Such a scheme would give every Iraqi an incentive to make sure that oil production and distribution, and all the rest of the economy that depended on it, took place both efficiently and peaceably. The great majority of the population, with real cash at stake, would put pressure on the militants to end their damaging activities. After that, he thought, peace could be maintained by a Swiss canton system, in which local groups had a great deal of autonomy over their own affairs.</p>
<p>An interesting idea, and maybe worth a try. After all, stranger things have happened. Indeed, Iraq is one of those countries which have adopted the flat tax. </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: George Carty</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Carty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sometimes wonder if a Sunni/Shi&#039;a bloodbath was actually part of the neocon plan for Iraq.  Perhaps they thought that it would discredit Islamists in both communities, just as the carnage of the Thirty Years&#039; War was a major factor in secularizing Europe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sometimes wonder if a Sunni/Shi&#8217;a bloodbath was actually part of the neocon plan for Iraq.  Perhaps they thought that it would discredit Islamists in both communities, just as the carnage of the Thirty Years&#8217; War was a major factor in secularizing Europe.</p>
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		<title>By: Baybers</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2006/12/05/if-america-left-iraq-today/comment-page-1/#comment-2682</link>
		<dc:creator>Baybers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 09:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In its most elemental form, intelligence can be defined as the capacity to act in ones own interest, the degree of which can be further defined by the time into the future one is willing to delay gratification, to achieve ones ultimate aims. 

Using this measure, Iraqi Sunni Muslim leaders have their brains in their backsides. They should have been supporting US troops from the very start and become loud supporters of a open pluralistic society and a strong federal government with an independent senate based on ethnicity and religion.

But like most contemporary Muslims, they are self indulgent to their emotions, which are manipulated by demagogues. So Sunni&#039;s opposed the one thing that could safeguard their interests from a Shia clergy run from Iran, The US army. 

Congratulations!

When Iraq descends into chaos that engulfs the whole region, the Sunni decadents of Iraq can hold the head up high, as the pilots of the ship who steered it directly into the iceberg, without flinching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In its most elemental form, intelligence can be defined as the capacity to act in ones own interest, the degree of which can be further defined by the time into the future one is willing to delay gratification, to achieve ones ultimate aims. </p>
<p>Using this measure, Iraqi Sunni Muslim leaders have their brains in their backsides. They should have been supporting US troops from the very start and become loud supporters of a open pluralistic society and a strong federal government with an independent senate based on ethnicity and religion.</p>
<p>But like most contemporary Muslims, they are self indulgent to their emotions, which are manipulated by demagogues. So Sunni&#8217;s opposed the one thing that could safeguard their interests from a Shia clergy run from Iran, The US army. </p>
<p>Congratulations!</p>
<p>When Iraq descends into chaos that engulfs the whole region, the Sunni decadents of Iraq can hold the head up high, as the pilots of the ship who steered it directly into the iceberg, without flinching.</p>
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		<title>By: Amir</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2006/12/05/if-america-left-iraq-today/comment-page-1/#comment-2663</link>
		<dc:creator>Amir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 10:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, none of us can be absolutely sure as to the &quot;truth&quot; of what is going on or what will happen.  However, the question is relevant to Muslims in the West because many of us and our leaders have been engaged in &#039;activism&#039;: calling for the US to leave, Australian troops to come home, etc. In light of Iraq&#039;s descent into what E. Mariyani describes as the &quot;utlimate existential nightmare&quot;, we probably need to work out whether, to mix metaphors, we are going to keep singing from the same songbook or whether its time to change our tune.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, none of us can be absolutely sure as to the &#8220;truth&#8221; of what is going on or what will happen.  However, the question is relevant to Muslims in the West because many of us and our leaders have been engaged in &#8216;activism&#8217;: calling for the US to leave, Australian troops to come home, etc. In light of Iraq&#8217;s descent into what E. Mariyani describes as the &#8220;utlimate existential nightmare&#8221;, we probably need to work out whether, to mix metaphors, we are going to keep singing from the same songbook or whether its time to change our tune.</p>
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		<title>By: Mustafa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mustafa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 10:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since the invasion, we&#039;ve all been saying &quot;America out, America out&quot; but then what?  Maybe things will become worse or maybe they will improve?

It&#039;s depressing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the invasion, we&#8217;ve all been saying &#8220;America out, America out&#8221; but then what?  Maybe things will become worse or maybe they will improve?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s depressing.</p>
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		<title>By: E. Mariyani</title>
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		<dc:creator>E. Mariyani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 10:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t profess to have the answers to these questions... &lt;/blockquote&gt;

And then come the answers anyway. The correct (verbal) response to this is to admit that all we are left with is the most pathetic kind of ignorance:

There are no factual &quot;answers&quot; because we - like Iraqis themselves - have no idea what&#039;s going on. (Everything must be prefaced with &quot;might,&quot; &quot;maybe,&quot; &quot;perhaps.&quot; Everyone who has not done this has turned out to be wrong in their predictions-cum-&quot;facts.&quot;) 

There are no moral &quot;answers&quot; because Iraq is now a moral vacuum. It is the ultimate existential nightmare. Talk of lesser evils in x or y by The Armchair Generals is little more than phantastic musings, signifying nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don’t profess to have the answers to these questions&#8230; </p></blockquote>
<p>And then come the answers anyway. The correct (verbal) response to this is to admit that all we are left with is the most pathetic kind of ignorance:</p>
<p>There are no factual &#8220;answers&#8221; because we &#8211; like Iraqis themselves &#8211; have no idea what&#8217;s going on. (Everything must be prefaced with &#8220;might,&#8221; &#8220;maybe,&#8221; &#8220;perhaps.&#8221; Everyone who has not done this has turned out to be wrong in their predictions-cum-&#8221;facts.&#8221;) </p>
<p>There are no moral &#8220;answers&#8221; because Iraq is now a moral vacuum. It is the ultimate existential nightmare. Talk of lesser evils in x or y by The Armchair Generals is little more than phantastic musings, signifying nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Shadower</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shadower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 05:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the days go by it looks more and more hopeless for the region as a whole. 

The only humane solution I can find would be to break Iraq into 3 countries, the Kurdish North, The Sunni West and South West, and the Shiite South and South East. 

That would not stop the blood shed but it would severely decrease it. But also risk opening up a Pandora&#039;s box and starting a regional war anyway. 

Iran will want influence over the Shiite country, and the Arab nationalists amongst the Shia would reject this. 

Turkey will declare war on Kurdistan (Iran and Syria would most likely be involved). 

Syria and Saudi Arabia would compete for influence amongst the Sunnis of Anbar. (The Syrians seem to have influence in the al-Awdah block whilst the Saudis seem to have influence in the clerical block Association of Muslim Scholars). 

The risky part would be the process of each regional power settling into its region of influence. 

The other option would be to allow the ex-Baath General to retake the country, let them purge the Mahdi Army, Badr Brigades and Al-Qaida in Iraq and let Iraq return to a Socialist Dictatorship allied with the Arabs. This is done whilst the US begins talking to Syria and prying it away from Iran could work wonders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the days go by it looks more and more hopeless for the region as a whole. </p>
<p>The only humane solution I can find would be to break Iraq into 3 countries, the Kurdish North, The Sunni West and South West, and the Shiite South and South East. </p>
<p>That would not stop the blood shed but it would severely decrease it. But also risk opening up a Pandora&#8217;s box and starting a regional war anyway. </p>
<p>Iran will want influence over the Shiite country, and the Arab nationalists amongst the Shia would reject this. </p>
<p>Turkey will declare war on Kurdistan (Iran and Syria would most likely be involved). </p>
<p>Syria and Saudi Arabia would compete for influence amongst the Sunnis of Anbar. (The Syrians seem to have influence in the al-Awdah block whilst the Saudis seem to have influence in the clerical block Association of Muslim Scholars). </p>
<p>The risky part would be the process of each regional power settling into its region of influence. </p>
<p>The other option would be to allow the ex-Baath General to retake the country, let them purge the Mahdi Army, Badr Brigades and Al-Qaida in Iraq and let Iraq return to a Socialist Dictatorship allied with the Arabs. This is done whilst the US begins talking to Syria and prying it away from Iran could work wonders.</p>
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