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		<title>By: dezhen</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/01/11/ht-handouts-and-cancelled-conferences/comment-page-1/#comment-5167</link>
		<dc:creator>dezhen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It reminds me of some of the issues discussed in this &lt;a&gt;excellent post&lt;/a&gt;, which is specifically about the UK, but I feel a lot may also apply here in Australia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It reminds me of some of the issues discussed in this <a>excellent post</a>, which is specifically about the UK, but I feel a lot may also apply here in Australia.</p>
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		<title>By: Albert Campion</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/01/11/ht-handouts-and-cancelled-conferences/comment-page-1/#comment-4990</link>
		<dc:creator>Albert Campion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 01:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might worry about the government being too involved in the Muslim community  but aside from that I don&#039;t actually see the problem of Australian government money going to help Australians.

The Muslim community has problems. Why not accept governemnt help to solve them? Just about every other community and interest group in Australia gets government help, and so they should. It&#039;s what the government is FOR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might worry about the government being too involved in the Muslim community  but aside from that I don&#8217;t actually see the problem of Australian government money going to help Australians.</p>
<p>The Muslim community has problems. Why not accept governemnt help to solve them? Just about every other community and interest group in Australia gets government help, and so they should. It&#8217;s what the government is FOR.</p>
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		<title>By: Ismail</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/01/11/ht-handouts-and-cancelled-conferences/comment-page-1/#comment-4686</link>
		<dc:creator>Ismail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i personally think they are a peaceful, harmless movement, and the majority of members are uneducated (in islam), but educated in HT ideology (which consists of a few books written by its founder). 

in the UK, they have managed to prove they are a non-violent organisation opposed to terrorism, whether it be individual or state sponsored. 

to sum up, they are waste of time, and people - muslims and non-muslims should not be worried by them</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i personally think they are a peaceful, harmless movement, and the majority of members are uneducated (in islam), but educated in HT ideology (which consists of a few books written by its founder). </p>
<p>in the UK, they have managed to prove they are a non-violent organisation opposed to terrorism, whether it be individual or state sponsored. </p>
<p>to sum up, they are waste of time, and people &#8211; muslims and non-muslims should not be worried by them</p>
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		<title>By: Victor Hugo</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/01/11/ht-handouts-and-cancelled-conferences/comment-page-1/#comment-4673</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor Hugo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Bankstown Council behaved badly, then the Muslims should vote them out next election.  Oh wait, voting is haram according to HT so that won&#039;t work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Bankstown Council behaved badly, then the Muslims should vote them out next election.  Oh wait, voting is haram according to HT so that won&#8217;t work.</p>
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		<title>By: Tariq Nelson</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/01/11/ht-handouts-and-cancelled-conferences/comment-page-1/#comment-4665</link>
		<dc:creator>Tariq Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 12:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is HT big in Australia? They are basically a joke here in the States. A small group of people who barely know Islam and discuss the need for Khalifah at the coffee shop for hours while ignoring problems right in front of them</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is HT big in Australia? They are basically a joke here in the States. A small group of people who barely know Islam and discuss the need for Khalifah at the coffee shop for hours while ignoring problems right in front of them</p>
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		<title>By: E. Mariyani</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/01/11/ht-handouts-and-cancelled-conferences/comment-page-1/#comment-4664</link>
		<dc:creator>E. Mariyani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;how can anyone possibly suggest that it is the responsibility of government to now fund a Muslim organisation &lt;b&gt;to come up with counter-arguments to ideas&lt;/b&gt; ...?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t think it is being suggested that government should fund &lt;i&gt;arguments&lt;/i&gt;. Obviously, constructing arguments is relatively cheap. Rather, it is institutions for dissemination and for various kinds of social support that are costly. 

Providing the good to accuring to society arising out of such institutions is greater than the bad, then expenditure on such institutions would be a rational investment for the government. And that requires no appeal to &#039;responsibility&#039; - only to the interest of the commonweal. (That, of course, doesn&#039;t preclude non-governmental, civic institutions funding themselves - and may in some cases be prefereable to government funding if politically-loaded conditions are attached.)

For my money, the &#039;real&#039; story here is one of either incompetence or faux-concern. Incompetence if, after such a long engagement in public life, Dr Ali doesn&#039;t know that funds are &lt;i&gt;already&lt;/i&gt; available for all sorts of community-based welfare programmes (which include &#039;information services&#039;). Faux-concern if Dr Ali does know this, but is pretending he doesn&#039;t so as either to gain some self-satisfying publicity or to get some funding without having to go through normal application processes, rather than just going about the business of actually doing something productive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>how can anyone possibly suggest that it is the responsibility of government to now fund a Muslim organisation <b>to come up with counter-arguments to ideas</b> &#8230;?</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it is being suggested that government should fund <i>arguments</i>. Obviously, constructing arguments is relatively cheap. Rather, it is institutions for dissemination and for various kinds of social support that are costly. </p>
<p>Providing the good to accuring to society arising out of such institutions is greater than the bad, then expenditure on such institutions would be a rational investment for the government. And that requires no appeal to &#8216;responsibility&#8217; &#8211; only to the interest of the commonweal. (That, of course, doesn&#8217;t preclude non-governmental, civic institutions funding themselves &#8211; and may in some cases be prefereable to government funding if politically-loaded conditions are attached.)</p>
<p>For my money, the &#8216;real&#8217; story here is one of either incompetence or faux-concern. Incompetence if, after such a long engagement in public life, Dr Ali doesn&#8217;t know that funds are <i>already</i> available for all sorts of community-based welfare programmes (which include &#8216;information services&#8217;). Faux-concern if Dr Ali does know this, but is pretending he doesn&#8217;t so as either to gain some self-satisfying publicity or to get some funding without having to go through normal application processes, rather than just going about the business of actually doing something productive.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor Hugo</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/01/11/ht-handouts-and-cancelled-conferences/comment-page-1/#comment-4663</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor Hugo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/01/08/1168104922239.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Asked if he wanted sharia in Australia, Mr Doureihi said yes, by peaceful means.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

HT may not want to establish sharia in Australia but that is what non-muslims are being told in the media so you can understand people&#039;s anxiety when they see videos like the one linked above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/01/08/1168104922239.html" rel="nofollow">this article</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Asked if he wanted sharia in Australia, Mr Doureihi said yes, by peaceful means.
</p></blockquote>
<p>HT may not want to establish sharia in Australia but that is what non-muslims are being told in the media so you can understand people&#8217;s anxiety when they see videos like the one linked above.</p>
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		<title>By: Ismail</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/01/11/ht-handouts-and-cancelled-conferences/comment-page-1/#comment-4659</link>
		<dc:creator>Ismail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 08:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am not a member of hizb-ut-tahrir, but certainly my experience with the movement is enough to know that they want to introduce shari&#039;a law to Muslim lands, not Non-muslim lands such as Australia. 

i am sure you can confirm this with one of their members.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am not a member of hizb-ut-tahrir, but certainly my experience with the movement is enough to know that they want to introduce shari&#8217;a law to Muslim lands, not Non-muslim lands such as Australia. </p>
<p>i am sure you can confirm this with one of their members.</p>
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		<title>By: dezhen</title>
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		<dc:creator>dezhen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 05:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am getting a bit sick of all these calls for cash from the government - can&#039;t the muslim community support its on advocacy and welfare groups? I know that as a Muslim I would be more than willing to part with some hard earned cash to help whoever was actually doing something decent and worthwhile (long term).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am getting a bit sick of all these calls for cash from the government &#8211; can&#8217;t the muslim community support its on advocacy and welfare groups? I know that as a Muslim I would be more than willing to part with some hard earned cash to help whoever was actually doing something decent and worthwhile (long term).</p>
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		<title>By: Amina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 03:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Id be interested to know, if the roles were reversed, would HT allow the Party of Christian Revival to hold a talk calling for the overthrow of the HT Town Council?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Id be interested to know, if the roles were reversed, would HT allow the Party of Christian Revival to hold a talk calling for the overthrow of the HT Town Council?</p>
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