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		<title>By: Seeker</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/02/24/fgm-time-to-rescue-western-women/comment-page-1/#comment-192166</link>
		<dc:creator>Seeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you clarify why you are not publishing my comment while you are publishing other peoples as recent as recent as today june 2nd 2009? MY Comment has been awaiting moderation since February. Does one have to hold the exact same opinion as yourself in order to have a comment published? Clearly you disagree but then why not debate constructively and show your sources/references rather than exercise censorship with fundamental islamic sources which have been alive for the past 1000 years or more. You may not agree on FGM but nevertheless some Muslims do and that is their right in full accordance with the Sunnah. 

Actually, islamic sources exist in support of FGM. The question of whether one chooses to believe these hadiths is irrelevant. What is relevant and strange is some muslim scholars refusal to acknowledge that FGM is linked to Islam. It can not merely be written off as cultural tradition or custom but in fact part of Sunnah. 

These sources have been in circulation for over 1000 years and do still exist.

One hadith centres around a discussion, recorded between Mohammed and Um Habibah (or Um’Alyyah), a women performed infibulation on slaves. She said that she would continue the procedure “unless it is forbidden and you order me to stop doing it”. He replied (according to one translation) “Yes it is allowed. Come closer so I can teach you: if you cut, do not over do it, because it brings more radiance to the face and it is more pleasant for the husband.”

A second hadith classifies circumcision recommended for women while it is obligatory for men. It comes in different variations. Sometimes mentioned as being charity for women also. Or makrumah for women.

A third hadith is “a woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. Muhammad said to her, ‘Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.” 

A fourth hadith Aishah narrated an authentic Hadith that the Prophet said: “When a man sits between the four parts (arms and legs of his wife) and the two circumcised parts meet, then ghusl is obligatory.”.

Many scholars do support FGM while many oppose. There is not consensus on the topic.

Furthermore, Sheikh Faraz Rabbani has stated “That which is wajib [obligatory] in the Shafi`i texts is merely slight ‘trimming’ of the tip of the clitoral hood - prepuce.” Contrary to the WHO definition, he states that this practice is not “FGM, nor harmful to the woman or her ability to derive sexual pleasure.”

Egyptian Sheikh Youssif al-Badri also supports FGM and is among the opponents of the egyptian law against FGM which also gave rise to mass protests in the streets.

So it is an outright lie when many scholars and muslims insist that FGM or female circumcision is completely unrelated to Islam and is “just” a cultural practice in some African countries. 

So albeit it may not be an outright command or requirement, it is not unrelated to Islam and it can be regarded as sunna.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you clarify why you are not publishing my comment while you are publishing other peoples as recent as recent as today june 2nd 2009? MY Comment has been awaiting moderation since February. Does one have to hold the exact same opinion as yourself in order to have a comment published? Clearly you disagree but then why not debate constructively and show your sources/references rather than exercise censorship with fundamental islamic sources which have been alive for the past 1000 years or more. You may not agree on FGM but nevertheless some Muslims do and that is their right in full accordance with the Sunnah. </p>
<p>Actually, islamic sources exist in support of FGM. The question of whether one chooses to believe these hadiths is irrelevant. What is relevant and strange is some muslim scholars refusal to acknowledge that FGM is linked to Islam. It can not merely be written off as cultural tradition or custom but in fact part of Sunnah. </p>
<p>These sources have been in circulation for over 1000 years and do still exist.</p>
<p>One hadith centres around a discussion, recorded between Mohammed and Um Habibah (or Um’Alyyah), a women performed infibulation on slaves. She said that she would continue the procedure “unless it is forbidden and you order me to stop doing it”. He replied (according to one translation) “Yes it is allowed. Come closer so I can teach you: if you cut, do not over do it, because it brings more radiance to the face and it is more pleasant for the husband.”</p>
<p>A second hadith classifies circumcision recommended for women while it is obligatory for men. It comes in different variations. Sometimes mentioned as being charity for women also. Or makrumah for women.</p>
<p>A third hadith is “a woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. Muhammad said to her, ‘Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.” </p>
<p>A fourth hadith Aishah narrated an authentic Hadith that the Prophet said: “When a man sits between the four parts (arms and legs of his wife) and the two circumcised parts meet, then ghusl is obligatory.”.</p>
<p>Many scholars do support FGM while many oppose. There is not consensus on the topic.</p>
<p>Furthermore, Sheikh Faraz Rabbani has stated “That which is wajib [obligatory] in the Shafi`i texts is merely slight ‘trimming’ of the tip of the clitoral hood &#8211; prepuce.” Contrary to the WHO definition, he states that this practice is not “FGM, nor harmful to the woman or her ability to derive sexual pleasure.”</p>
<p>Egyptian Sheikh Youssif al-Badri also supports FGM and is among the opponents of the egyptian law against FGM which also gave rise to mass protests in the streets.</p>
<p>So it is an outright lie when many scholars and muslims insist that FGM or female circumcision is completely unrelated to Islam and is “just” a cultural practice in some African countries. </p>
<p>So albeit it may not be an outright command or requirement, it is not unrelated to Islam and it can be regarded as sunna.</p>
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		<title>By: Seeker</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/02/24/fgm-time-to-rescue-western-women/comment-page-1/#comment-190732</link>
		<dc:creator>Seeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 13:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you clarify why you are not publishing my comment while you are publishing other peoples as recent as late april 2009? MY Comment has been awaiting moderation for since February. Does one have to hold the exact same opinion as yourself in order to have a comment published? Clearly you disagree but then why not debate constructively and show your sources/references rather than exercise censorship with fundamental islamic sources which have been alive for the past 1000 years or more. You may not agree on FGM but nevertheless some Muslims do and that is their right in full accordance with the Sunnah.

Actually, islamic sources exist in support of FGM. The question of whether one chooses to believe these hadiths is irrelevant. What is relevant and strange is some muslim scholars refusal to acknowledge that FGM is linked to Islam. It can not merely be written off as cultural tradition or custom but in fact part of Sunnah. 

These sources have been in circulation for over 1000 years and do still exist.

One hadith centres around a discussion, recorded between Mohammed and Um Habibah (or Um’Alyyah), a women performed infibulation on slaves. She said that she would continue the procedure “unless it is forbidden and you order me to stop doing it”. He replied (according to one translation) “Yes it is allowed. Come closer so I can teach you: if you cut, do not over do it, because it brings more radiance to the face and it is more pleasant for the husband.”

A second hadith classifies circumcision recommended for women while it is obligatory for men. It comes in different variations. Sometimes mentioned as being charity for women also. Or makrumah for women.

A third hadith is “a woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. Muhammad said to her, ‘Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.” 

A fourth hadith Aishah narrated an authentic Hadith that the Prophet said: “When a man sits between the four parts (arms and legs of his wife) and the two circumcised parts meet, then ghusl is obligatory.”.

Many scholars do support FGM while many oppose. There is not consensus on the topic.

Furthermore, Sheikh Faraz Rabbani has stated “That which is wajib [obligatory] in the Shafi`i texts is merely slight ‘trimming’ of the tip of the clitoral hood - prepuce.” Contrary to the WHO definition, he states that this practice is not “FGM, nor harmful to the woman or her ability to derive sexual pleasure.”

Egyptian Sheikh Youssif al-Badri also supports FGM and is among the opponents of the egyptian law against FGM which also gave rise to mass protests in the streets.

So it is an outright lie when many scholars and muslims insist that FGM or female circumcision is completely unrelated to Islam and is “just” a cultural practice in some African countries. 

So albeit it may not be an outright command or requirement, it is not unrelated to Islam and it can be regarded as sunna.

Your comment is awaiting moderation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you clarify why you are not publishing my comment while you are publishing other peoples as recent as late april 2009? MY Comment has been awaiting moderation for since February. Does one have to hold the exact same opinion as yourself in order to have a comment published? Clearly you disagree but then why not debate constructively and show your sources/references rather than exercise censorship with fundamental islamic sources which have been alive for the past 1000 years or more. You may not agree on FGM but nevertheless some Muslims do and that is their right in full accordance with the Sunnah.</p>
<p>Actually, islamic sources exist in support of FGM. The question of whether one chooses to believe these hadiths is irrelevant. What is relevant and strange is some muslim scholars refusal to acknowledge that FGM is linked to Islam. It can not merely be written off as cultural tradition or custom but in fact part of Sunnah. </p>
<p>These sources have been in circulation for over 1000 years and do still exist.</p>
<p>One hadith centres around a discussion, recorded between Mohammed and Um Habibah (or Um’Alyyah), a women performed infibulation on slaves. She said that she would continue the procedure “unless it is forbidden and you order me to stop doing it”. He replied (according to one translation) “Yes it is allowed. Come closer so I can teach you: if you cut, do not over do it, because it brings more radiance to the face and it is more pleasant for the husband.”</p>
<p>A second hadith classifies circumcision recommended for women while it is obligatory for men. It comes in different variations. Sometimes mentioned as being charity for women also. Or makrumah for women.</p>
<p>A third hadith is “a woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. Muhammad said to her, ‘Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.” </p>
<p>A fourth hadith Aishah narrated an authentic Hadith that the Prophet said: “When a man sits between the four parts (arms and legs of his wife) and the two circumcised parts meet, then ghusl is obligatory.”.</p>
<p>Many scholars do support FGM while many oppose. There is not consensus on the topic.</p>
<p>Furthermore, Sheikh Faraz Rabbani has stated “That which is wajib [obligatory] in the Shafi`i texts is merely slight ‘trimming’ of the tip of the clitoral hood &#8211; prepuce.” Contrary to the WHO definition, he states that this practice is not “FGM, nor harmful to the woman or her ability to derive sexual pleasure.”</p>
<p>Egyptian Sheikh Youssif al-Badri also supports FGM and is among the opponents of the egyptian law against FGM which also gave rise to mass protests in the streets.</p>
<p>So it is an outright lie when many scholars and muslims insist that FGM or female circumcision is completely unrelated to Islam and is “just” a cultural practice in some African countries. </p>
<p>So albeit it may not be an outright command or requirement, it is not unrelated to Islam and it can be regarded as sunna.</p>
<p>Your comment is awaiting moderation.</p>
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		<title>By: Seeker</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/02/24/fgm-time-to-rescue-western-women/comment-page-1/#comment-189077</link>
		<dc:creator>Seeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 07:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, islamic sources exist in support of FGM. The question of whether one chooses to believe these hadiths is irrelevant. What is relevant and strange is some muslim scholars refusal to acknowledge that FGM is linked to Islam. It can not merely be written off as cultural tradition or custom but in fact part of Sunnah. 

These sources have been in circulation for over 1000 years and do still exist.

One hadith centres around a discussion, recorded between Mohammed and Um Habibah (or Um’Alyyah), a women performed infibulation on slaves. She said that she would continue the procedure “unless it is forbidden and you order me to stop doing it”. He replied (according to one translation) “Yes it is allowed. Come closer so I can teach you: if you cut, do not over do it, because it brings more radiance to the face and it is more pleasant for the husband.”

A second hadith classifies circumcision recommended for women while it is obligatory for men. It comes in different variations. Sometimes mentioned as being charity for women also. Or makrumah for women.

A third hadith is “a woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. Muhammad said to her, ‘Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.” 

A fourth hadith Aishah narrated an authentic Hadith that the Prophet said: “When a man sits between the four parts (arms and legs of his wife) and the two circumcised parts meet, then ghusl is obligatory.”.

Many scholars do support FGM while many oppose. There is not consensus on the topic.

Furthermore, Sheikh Faraz Rabbani has stated “That which is wajib [obligatory] in the Shafi`i texts is merely slight ‘trimming’ of the tip of the clitoral hood - prepuce.” Contrary to the WHO definition, he states that this practice is not “FGM, nor harmful to the woman or her ability to derive sexual pleasure.”

Egyptian Sheikh Youssif al-Badri also supports FGM and is among the opponents of the egyptian law against FGM which also gave rise to mass protests in the streets.

So it is an outright lie when many scholars and muslims insist that FGM or female circumcision is completely unrelated to Islam and is “just” a cultural practice in some African countries. 

So albeit it may not be an outright command or requirement, it is not unrelated to Islam and it can be regarded as sunna.

Your comment is awaiting moderation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, islamic sources exist in support of FGM. The question of whether one chooses to believe these hadiths is irrelevant. What is relevant and strange is some muslim scholars refusal to acknowledge that FGM is linked to Islam. It can not merely be written off as cultural tradition or custom but in fact part of Sunnah. </p>
<p>These sources have been in circulation for over 1000 years and do still exist.</p>
<p>One hadith centres around a discussion, recorded between Mohammed and Um Habibah (or Um’Alyyah), a women performed infibulation on slaves. She said that she would continue the procedure “unless it is forbidden and you order me to stop doing it”. He replied (according to one translation) “Yes it is allowed. Come closer so I can teach you: if you cut, do not over do it, because it brings more radiance to the face and it is more pleasant for the husband.”</p>
<p>A second hadith classifies circumcision recommended for women while it is obligatory for men. It comes in different variations. Sometimes mentioned as being charity for women also. Or makrumah for women.</p>
<p>A third hadith is “a woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. Muhammad said to her, ‘Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.” </p>
<p>A fourth hadith Aishah narrated an authentic Hadith that the Prophet said: “When a man sits between the four parts (arms and legs of his wife) and the two circumcised parts meet, then ghusl is obligatory.”.</p>
<p>Many scholars do support FGM while many oppose. There is not consensus on the topic.</p>
<p>Furthermore, Sheikh Faraz Rabbani has stated “That which is wajib [obligatory] in the Shafi`i texts is merely slight ‘trimming’ of the tip of the clitoral hood &#8211; prepuce.” Contrary to the WHO definition, he states that this practice is not “FGM, nor harmful to the woman or her ability to derive sexual pleasure.”</p>
<p>Egyptian Sheikh Youssif al-Badri also supports FGM and is among the opponents of the egyptian law against FGM which also gave rise to mass protests in the streets.</p>
<p>So it is an outright lie when many scholars and muslims insist that FGM or female circumcision is completely unrelated to Islam and is “just” a cultural practice in some African countries. </p>
<p>So albeit it may not be an outright command or requirement, it is not unrelated to Islam and it can be regarded as sunna.</p>
<p>Your comment is awaiting moderation.</p>
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		<title>By: gess</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/02/24/fgm-time-to-rescue-western-women/comment-page-1/#comment-16884</link>
		<dc:creator>gess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Africagirl,

I agree with you that we need to raise awareness on FGM, but I don&#039;t agree with that parrents should choose to circumcise their little girl. The child can not defend herself, and for this reason we need a legislative action to involve and to protect the child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Africagirl,</p>
<p>I agree with you that we need to raise awareness on FGM, but I don&#8217;t agree with that parrents should choose to circumcise their little girl. The child can not defend herself, and for this reason we need a legislative action to involve and to protect the child.</p>
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		<title>By: africagirl</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/02/24/fgm-time-to-rescue-western-women/comment-page-1/#comment-16870</link>
		<dc:creator>africagirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what are we doing to raise awareness on this issue? No matter who is right or wrong in this debate something needs to be done to educate people on the dangers of FGM. People can and should be able to choose for themselves and for their children what they think is best, but they should also know the consequences of their choices. It has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with helping each other for the betterment of mankind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what are we doing to raise awareness on this issue? No matter who is right or wrong in this debate something needs to be done to educate people on the dangers of FGM. People can and should be able to choose for themselves and for their children what they think is best, but they should also know the consequences of their choices. It has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with helping each other for the betterment of mankind.</p>
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		<title>By: Baybers</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/02/24/fgm-time-to-rescue-western-women/comment-page-1/#comment-13173</link>
		<dc:creator>Baybers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No gess, he is a a self confessed anti-semite and Muslim hater He is also a troll.

Ignore him and he will eventually realize that he is not welcome here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No gess, he is a a self confessed anti-semite and Muslim hater He is also a troll.</p>
<p>Ignore him and he will eventually realize that he is not welcome here.</p>
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		<title>By: Attilla</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/02/24/fgm-time-to-rescue-western-women/comment-page-1/#comment-13158</link>
		<dc:creator>Attilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the contrary, Gess. I disapprove of peple hacking bits off other people against their will, especially children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the contrary, Gess. I disapprove of peple hacking bits off other people against their will, especially children.</p>
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		<title>By: gess</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/02/24/fgm-time-to-rescue-western-women/comment-page-1/#comment-13095</link>
		<dc:creator>gess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Attilla,

Just curious. Are you a butcher as profession?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attilla,</p>
<p>Just curious. Are you a butcher as profession?</p>
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		<title>By: Shazia</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/02/24/fgm-time-to-rescue-western-women/comment-page-1/#comment-13000</link>
		<dc:creator>Shazia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATION
Report on Consultations Held in Ottawa and Montreal

http://www.justice.gc.ca/en/ps/rs/rep/1995/wd95-8a.html

This is a good report on FGM compiled after consulting members of communities in which it is commonly practiced.

It does say there is no Islamic justification for it, nor in the Bible or Torah and it still occurs because of ignorance, culture and tradition.

As people are becoming better educated about the health risks,  that it is an illegal offence in Canada and also that the Quran/Bible and Torah do not sanction it, it is dying out.

It says sensationalising FGM in the media hinders efforts to educate people about the issues surrounding it and stresses the need to be culturally sensitive. 

The people consulted object to the way FGM is portrayed in the West as child abuse and reject the word &#039;mutilation&#039; as being too loaded. Some are surprised it is illegal in Canada.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATION<br />
Report on Consultations Held in Ottawa and Montreal</p>
<p><a href="http://www.justice.gc.ca/en/ps/rs/rep/1995/wd95-8a.html">http://www.justice.gc.ca/en/ps.....95-8a.html</a></p>
<p>This is a good report on FGM compiled after consulting members of communities in which it is commonly practiced.</p>
<p>It does say there is no Islamic justification for it, nor in the Bible or Torah and it still occurs because of ignorance, culture and tradition.</p>
<p>As people are becoming better educated about the health risks,  that it is an illegal offence in Canada and also that the Quran/Bible and Torah do not sanction it, it is dying out.</p>
<p>It says sensationalising FGM in the media hinders efforts to educate people about the issues surrounding it and stresses the need to be culturally sensitive. </p>
<p>The people consulted object to the way FGM is portrayed in the West as child abuse and reject the word &#8216;mutilation&#8217; as being too loaded. Some are surprised it is illegal in Canada.</p>
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		<title>By: Attilla</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/02/24/fgm-time-to-rescue-western-women/comment-page-1/#comment-12689</link>
		<dc:creator>Attilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mesianic Muslimah: Male circumcision is every bit as cultural as female. the fact that some of the cultures that do it are religious cultures and say they do it for religious reasons makes no difference.
If belief that god designed man&#039;s body so that bits could be chopped off is a justifiable reason for chopping them off, then belief that god designed woman&#039;s body so that bits could be chopped off is a justifiable reason for chopping them off too.
 By your logic, people who don&#039;t believe that god designed man&#039;s body so that bits could be chopped off shouldn&#039;t be allowed to circumcise their sons. On that, at least, we agree. What adults choose to do to their own bodies is a matter between them and their god, if they have a god, and no concern of anyone else&#039;s, no matter how stupid, wicked or blasphemous we think it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mesianic Muslimah: Male circumcision is every bit as cultural as female. the fact that some of the cultures that do it are religious cultures and say they do it for religious reasons makes no difference.<br />
If belief that god designed man&#8217;s body so that bits could be chopped off is a justifiable reason for chopping them off, then belief that god designed woman&#8217;s body so that bits could be chopped off is a justifiable reason for chopping them off too.<br />
 By your logic, people who don&#8217;t believe that god designed man&#8217;s body so that bits could be chopped off shouldn&#8217;t be allowed to circumcise their sons. On that, at least, we agree. What adults choose to do to their own bodies is a matter between them and their god, if they have a god, and no concern of anyone else&#8217;s, no matter how stupid, wicked or blasphemous we think it.</p>
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