Comments on: Ayaan Hirsi Ali on Turkey

By: Tuana

Tuana — Sun, 07 Nov 2010 14:40:54 +0000

As a Turk, I am really curious to know how this woman can pass judgment over a country which she obviously knows nothing about. One of her Dutch supporters living here (I should also add that he is in the defense industry)approached me one day and made the most obnoxious, villifying comments I have ever heard about me as a Turk, calling us all imbeciles, even more backward than Nigerians, that we knew nothing about Western values. He had mistaken me for an American (and for the first part of the conversation, he was extremely polite); it was only when he found out I was Turkish that he embarked on his isane crusade. He went on insulting me for about 30 minutes at the end of which he insinuated that it would be absolutely necessary for there to be an intervention, that this government would lead us to the dark ages. I wish that the West would decide what they want. There are those like this woman who puts all Muslim countries in the same basket (interesting that there are many more respected intelleactuals who are female and Muslim). People, who in my view have less radical and violent views than she does, who don’t incite rebellion or tell others to change their religion like she does. It is unfortunate that people like herself only incite hate against all Muslims, regardless of whether they are moderate or not – it seems that if you are a Turk, then and happen to be living in this country you are nothing but evil – you are a murderer, an imbecile and a coward. And I am sorry – what was it ? Freedom of opinion ? Freedom of speech ? Freedom of what, again ? She is free to say anything she likes but of course Muslims aren’t ? Why not take a more moderate stance ? I don’t think she does anything for gender equality – nor does she really do anything to help Muslim women in need. I think people like Queen Rania, NGOs and even the U.N. do a better job of it than she does. And we also have to be sympathetic to her cause when she discards all nationals from these countries as evil human beings – while we are accosted by lunatics like the Dutch man and belittled in front of others who dumbfoundedly listen to these vilifications. How sad. This is what the human race has come to. What an opportunist who has done far less to help Muslim women than Shirin Ebadi…

By: Reason interviews Hirsi Ali

Reason interviews Hirsi Ali — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:14:15 +0000

[...] there you have it. Not only is Hirsi Ali a shill for military rule but she also believes Islamic schools, people who convert to Islam and people who burn [...]

By: James (San Deigo)

James (San Deigo) — Mon, 28 May 2007 15:05:29 +0000

Thank You. As the post is a long one I will just leave a link.

http://wiskeytangofoxtrotoscar.....turks.html

You and all the regulars can leave questions, comments and or rude suggestions at the site.

By: Amir

Amir — Sat, 26 May 2007 08:09:58 +0000

James, you are more than welcome to post a link, pingback a post here or even write a long comment! Thanks for asking though.

By: James

James — Sat, 26 May 2007 03:25:47 +0000

Amir, your post got me thiniking

I don’t want to blog-whore so before I do can i get permission to post a link?

it’s a long post, don’t want to suck up all your bandwith

By: Eudaemonion

Eudaemonion — Thu, 17 May 2007 16:23:29 +0000

On second thought, Ayan might be on to something.

When one looks to the war crazed Democrat candidates in the US, the luckluster performance of the Democratic Party in Congress in fulfilling its Iraq mandate, Mr Blairs New Labour in Britian, and Mr Howards ‘Liberal’ Party here in Australia, ‘Liberalism’ might have taken a plethora of new meanings.

Quite funny to think of Ms Ali as having something relevant to say?

By: Eudaemonion

Eudaemonion — Thu, 17 May 2007 16:15:36 +0000

How Democracy hating, Statist, culturally Fascist, anti-Free Market, Ataturk adoring types can be labelled as Liberal, by any definition of the word? Has the meaning of the word changed suddenly, since the beginning of the crisis in Turkey? Or has the world gone barking mad finally?

By: Statler

Statler — Wed, 16 May 2007 11:17:02 +0000

Its time for secular Turks to come out and attack our arguments. If your way is clearly superior to us backward Muslims , you should have no trouble in defeating us in a free contest of ideas.

After all we are backward worshippers of God, without the wit or wisdom to take on you supermen (cleverly disguised as beggars at the gates of Europe in your cheap grey suits and your graucho marx mustaches)

By: Amir

Amir — Tue, 15 May 2007 23:57:08 +0000

This seventy percent of the vote (or the Turkish people) you fancy is, well, your fancy.

Actually, I didn’t come up with the figure and don’t know or particularly care if it is true. Ayaan Hirsi cited it in her defence of Turkish military involvement in civilian politics. The issue isn’t whether it’s 20, 30, 40 or 70 percent of the population supporting the AK Party, the bigger issue (as far as I am concerned) is whether it is acceptable for the military in any country to involve itself in politics and to operate removed from civilian control. I don’t believe it is and I don’t believe that the armed enforcement of ideology is a hallmark of liberalism, liberal democracy or indeed an enlightened civilised society.

By: Statler

Statler — Tue, 15 May 2007 09:53:23 +0000

Peter W. Singer, “Time for Hard Choices: The Dilemmas Facing U.S. Policy Towards the Islamic World,” Analysis Paper #1 (October 2002)

?Bookings Institute

it came in my copy of pig shooters monthly, a peer reviewed journal I would highly recommend