Comments on: FGM and Ayaan Hirsi Ali http://austrolabe.com/2007/05/31/fgm-and-ayan-hirsi-ali/ Thu, 26 Aug 2010 02:21:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Abdullah Sheikh Rashid http://austrolabe.com/2007/05/31/fgm-and-ayan-hirsi-ali/comment-page-1/#comment-29768 Abdullah Sheikh Rashid Wed, 06 Jun 2007 01:38:19 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2007/05/31/fgm-and-ayan-hirsi-ali/#comment-29768 Ayaan Hirsi Ali continues to cash on the ignorance of the West about Islam, Muslims and their traditions. At the moment she is in Australia, the land of Howard stoking the embers of fire and pushing Australian Muslims against the wall and instigating the Islamophobes and other accomplices of evil against them. A Somali man who was a habitual liar was one day asked: "Ali, when will you stop lying?" He retorted: "As long as the truth doesn't cath up with me." Now, Ayaan will continue capitalising on naked lies and mere fabricated stories till she is mowned by the truth. .... Continue reading in the blo provided... Also have a look at the following entries Ayaan Hirsi Ali {the forgery part1, 2, 3, 4 and also Europe in Stampede for modern FGM". Thanks Ayaan Hirsi Ali continues to cash on the ignorance of the West about Islam, Muslims and their traditions. At the moment she is in Australia, the land of Howard stoking the embers of fire and pushing Australian Muslims against the wall and instigating the Islamophobes and other accomplices of evil against them. A Somali man who was a habitual liar was one day asked: “Ali, when will you stop lying?” He retorted: “As long as the truth doesn’t cath up with me.” Now, Ayaan will continue capitalising on naked lies and mere fabricated stories till she is mowned by the truth. …. Continue reading in the blo provided…

Also have a look at the following entries
Ayaan Hirsi Ali {the forgery part1, 2, 3, 4 and also Europe in Stampede for modern FGM”. Thanks

]]> By: Abdullah Sheikh Rashid http://austrolabe.com/2007/05/31/fgm-and-ayan-hirsi-ali/comment-page-1/#comment-29766 Abdullah Sheikh Rashid Wed, 06 Jun 2007 01:37:47 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2007/05/31/fgm-and-ayan-hirsi-ali/#comment-29766 PREACHING THE SOMALI CULTURE AS ISLAM {III} Ayaan Hirsi Ali continues to cash on the ignorance of the West about Islam, Muslims and their traditions. At the moment she is in Australia, the land of Howard stoking the embers of fire and pushing Australian Muslims against the wall and instigating the Islamophobes and other accomplices of evil against them. A Somali man who was a habitual liar was one day asked: "Ali, when will you stop lying?" He retorted: "As long as the truth doesn't cath up with me." Now, Ayaan will continue capitalising on naked lies and mere fabricated stories till she is mowned by the truth. .... Continue reading in the blo provided... Also have a look at the following entries Ayaan Hirsi Ali {the forgery part1, 2, 3, 4 and also Europe in Stampede for modern FGM". Thanks PREACHING THE SOMALI CULTURE AS ISLAM {III}

Ayaan Hirsi Ali continues to cash on the ignorance of the West about Islam, Muslims and their traditions. At the moment she is in Australia, the land of Howard stoking the embers of fire and pushing Australian Muslims against the wall and instigating the Islamophobes and other accomplices of evil against them. A Somali man who was a habitual liar was one day asked: “Ali, when will you stop lying?” He retorted: “As long as the truth doesn’t cath up with me.” Now, Ayaan will continue capitalising on naked lies and mere fabricated stories till she is mowned by the truth. …. Continue reading in the blo provided…

Also have a look at the following entries
Ayaan Hirsi Ali {the forgery part1, 2, 3, 4 and also Europe in Stampede for modern FGM”. Thanks

]]> By: Club Troppo » Monday's Missing Link on Tuesday - Again http://austrolabe.com/2007/05/31/fgm-and-ayan-hirsi-ali/comment-page-1/#comment-29643 Club Troppo » Monday's Missing Link on Tuesday - Again Tue, 05 Jun 2007 13:39:35 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2007/05/31/fgm-and-ayan-hirsi-ali/#comment-29643 [...] at Austrolabe try to explain where Muslims actually stood on the issue (in a post intelligently critical of Ayaan Hirsi Ali), made Irfan Yusuf decide to get out an extra large wooden spoon, and even produced some overseas [...] [...] at Austrolabe try to explain where Muslims actually stood on the issue (in a post intelligently critical of Ayaan Hirsi Ali), made Irfan Yusuf decide to get out an extra large wooden spoon, and even produced some overseas [...]

]]> By: Baybers http://austrolabe.com/2007/05/31/fgm-and-ayan-hirsi-ali/comment-page-1/#comment-29365 Baybers Mon, 04 Jun 2007 10:00:33 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2007/05/31/fgm-and-ayan-hirsi-ali/#comment-29365 Jason, we covered it here: http://austrolabe.com/2007/02/24/fgm-time-to-rescue-western-women/ I'm not certain, but I think that many of the things that you take exception to in "Islam", are in fact Islamism; a 20th century romantic modernism. Jason,

we covered it here:

http://austrolabe.com/2007/02/.....ern-women/

I’m not certain, but I think that many of the things that you take exception to in “Islam”, are in fact Islamism; a 20th century romantic modernism.

]]> By: Amir http://austrolabe.com/2007/05/31/fgm-and-ayan-hirsi-ali/comment-page-1/#comment-29296 Amir Mon, 04 Jun 2007 02:36:36 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2007/05/31/fgm-and-ayan-hirsi-ali/#comment-29296 <blockquote>Why aren’t you guys pushing more strongly the obvious response that FGM is actually an example of Islam tolerating a *pre-Islamic* custom?</blockquote> That's a good point, Jason. I know Islamic law doesn't allow FGM to be carried out, but clearly it seems to be allowed under animist 'law' etc. The fact that it continues to be practiced by those communities even though they fell under Islamic rule would seem to support the idea that Islamic law is a lot more tolerant of religious and cultural differences than some critics (and Islamists) would suggest. I know, for example, some early Islamic jurists ruled that each community is entitled to live according to its own laws even though the practices of that community (such as incestuous marriage to give one real example) might be against Islamic law. The state couldn't interfere provided the people didn't seek judgement according to Islamic law (by willfully applying to a court for judgement) and provided the behaviour was in accordance with the laws of that community. It was, therefore, a legally pluralistic society with law being viewed, to some extent, as a private good.

Why aren’t you guys pushing more strongly the obvious response that FGM is actually an example of Islam tolerating a *pre-Islamic* custom?

That’s a good point, Jason. I know Islamic law doesn’t allow FGM to be carried out, but clearly it seems to be allowed under animist ‘law’ etc. The fact that it continues to be practiced by those communities even though they fell under Islamic rule would seem to support the idea that Islamic law is a lot more tolerant of religious and cultural differences than some critics (and Islamists) would suggest.

I know, for example, some early Islamic jurists ruled that each community is entitled to live according to its own laws even though the practices of that community (such as incestuous marriage to give one real example) might be against Islamic law. The state couldn’t interfere provided the people didn’t seek judgement according to Islamic law (by willfully applying to a court for judgement) and provided the behaviour was in accordance with the laws of that community. It was, therefore, a legally pluralistic society with law being viewed, to some extent, as a private good.

]]> By: Jason Soon http://austrolabe.com/2007/05/31/fgm-and-ayan-hirsi-ali/comment-page-1/#comment-29255 Jason Soon Sun, 03 Jun 2007 22:55:47 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2007/05/31/fgm-and-ayan-hirsi-ali/#comment-29255 Amir Why aren't you guys pushing more strongly the obvious response that FGM is actually an example of Islam tolerating a *pre-Islamic* custom? See this for instance - it's more or less correct yes? As a libertarian atheist I'd say there are more than enough things to criticise in Islam without blaming it for something it doesn't actually decree :-) http://www.minaret.org/fgm-pamphlet.htm Amir
Why aren’t you guys pushing more strongly the obvious response that FGM is actually an example of Islam tolerating a *pre-Islamic* custom?

See this for instance – it’s more or less correct yes? As a libertarian atheist I’d say there are more than enough things to criticise in Islam without blaming it for something it doesn’t actually decree :-)

http://www.minaret.org/fgm-pamphlet.htm

]]> By: Editor @ I J T E M A http://austrolabe.com/2007/05/31/fgm-and-ayan-hirsi-ali/comment-page-1/#comment-29221 Editor @ I J T E M A Sun, 03 Jun 2007 19:38:54 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2007/05/31/fgm-and-ayan-hirsi-ali/#comment-29221 Assalamu 'alaykum wa rahmatullah I pray that you are in the best of health & imaan. This is a short message to notify you that this entry has been selected for publishing on <a href="http://www.ijtema.net" rel="nofollow">I J T E M A</a>; a venture to highlight the best of the Muslim blogosphere. To find out more about <a href="http://www.ijtema.net" rel="nofollow">I J T E M A</a>, and how you can further contribute, please click <a href="http://www.ijtema.net/about-ijtemanet/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. May Allah bless you for your noble efforts. Wa'salam Assalamu ‘alaykum wa rahmatullah
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]]> By: Telling Lies at Ijtema http://austrolabe.com/2007/05/31/fgm-and-ayan-hirsi-ali/comment-page-1/#comment-29219 Telling Lies at Ijtema Sun, 03 Jun 2007 19:37:12 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2007/05/31/fgm-and-ayan-hirsi-ali/#comment-29219 [...] Amir at australabe catches yellow journalism-red handed. Powered by Gregarious (21) [...] [...] Amir at australabe catches yellow journalism-red handed. Powered by Gregarious (21) [...]

]]> By: Irfan Yusuf http://austrolabe.com/2007/05/31/fgm-and-ayan-hirsi-ali/comment-page-1/#comment-28825 Irfan Yusuf Sat, 02 Jun 2007 06:54:40 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2007/05/31/fgm-and-ayan-hirsi-ali/#comment-28825 <p>Actually, Hirsi Ali's biggest backers are from the Lunar Right. She currently works for an allegedly conservative thinktank. Her documentary "Submission" was made with the far-Right Ducth film maker Theo Van Gogh.</p> <p>Check this out ...</p> Actually, Hirsi Ali’s biggest backers are from the Lunar Right. She currently works for an allegedly conservative thinktank. Her documentary “Submission” was made with the far-Right Ducth film maker Theo Van Gogh.

Check this out …

]]> By: Buzzsaw http://austrolabe.com/2007/05/31/fgm-and-ayan-hirsi-ali/comment-page-1/#comment-28610 Buzzsaw Fri, 01 Jun 2007 12:37:57 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2007/05/31/fgm-and-ayan-hirsi-ali/#comment-28610 <a href="http://iisna.com/?id=110" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is a great example of how not to respond to the issue. Here is a great example of how not to respond to the issue.

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