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		<title>By: UmmFarouq</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/06/08/policy-review-how-the-west-really-lost-god/comment-page-1/#comment-31296</link>
		<dc:creator>UmmFarouq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 06:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to wake my son up now to go milk the cow and tend the fields.  After he&#039;s finished, he&#039;s going to put in a few hours at our country store, selling grain.

Now all that responsibility couldn&#039;t be heaped on little Paris or Nikki, could it? 

I must get to reproducing!

BTW, congratulations on a smashing new look!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to wake my son up now to go milk the cow and tend the fields.  After he&#8217;s finished, he&#8217;s going to put in a few hours at our country store, selling grain.</p>
<p>Now all that responsibility couldn&#8217;t be heaped on little Paris or Nikki, could it? </p>
<p>I must get to reproducing!</p>
<p>BTW, congratulations on a smashing new look!</p>
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		<title>By: Fringe</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/06/08/policy-review-how-the-west-really-lost-god/comment-page-1/#comment-31249</link>
		<dc:creator>Fringe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 02:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>unaha closp

Further refinement to your point - another influence creating lower birth rates is the provision of old age pensions - no longer in western civilisations does one have to multiply and farm the kids in order to survive to old age.

This imho is a *good* thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>unaha closp</p>
<p>Further refinement to your point &#8211; another influence creating lower birth rates is the provision of old age pensions &#8211; no longer in western civilisations does one have to multiply and farm the kids in order to survive to old age.</p>
<p>This imho is a *good* thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Fringe</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/06/08/policy-review-how-the-west-really-lost-god/comment-page-1/#comment-31247</link>
		<dc:creator>Fringe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 02:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Amir

It would be a worry, except industry requires lots of drones to keep its wheels spinning.

Admittedly, with more technologisation, industry needs less drones than in the past. So we should try to educate more folks. I don&#039;t think education however is a determinant of IQ - uneducated people have innate intelligence - education hones their potential.

Additionally, the up side is that people who have less children have more time to contribute toward the advancement of civilisation - the arts and sciences. This of course explains why women have featured less prominently throughout history in such pursuits. Things have changed for the better :)

Cheers and by the way, thanks for an excellent site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Amir</p>
<p>It would be a worry, except industry requires lots of drones to keep its wheels spinning.</p>
<p>Admittedly, with more technologisation, industry needs less drones than in the past. So we should try to educate more folks. I don&#8217;t think education however is a determinant of IQ &#8211; uneducated people have innate intelligence &#8211; education hones their potential.</p>
<p>Additionally, the up side is that people who have less children have more time to contribute toward the advancement of civilisation &#8211; the arts and sciences. This of course explains why women have featured less prominently throughout history in such pursuits. Things have changed for the better <img src='http://austrolabe.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheers and by the way, thanks for an excellent site.</p>
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		<title>By: unaha-closp</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/06/08/policy-review-how-the-west-really-lost-god/comment-page-1/#comment-31188</link>
		<dc:creator>unaha-closp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One driver for low birth rates is the provision of state welfare support.  Westerners no longer require an extended family to support in times of stress.  More socially supportive the state is the lower it&#039;s birthrates.  The communist states witnessed a massive decline in birthrates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One driver for low birth rates is the provision of state welfare support.  Westerners no longer require an extended family to support in times of stress.  More socially supportive the state is the lower it&#8217;s birthrates.  The communist states witnessed a massive decline in birthrates.</p>
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		<title>By: George Carty</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/06/08/policy-review-how-the-west-really-lost-god/comment-page-1/#comment-31126</link>
		<dc:creator>George Carty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Christianity is MS-DOS in a multi core world, its not up to it. One can only be a religious Christian by either not understanding science, or partioning ones hard drive and running a science based OS that keeps one functioning in the modern world and having a christian “app” that one can boot up for special occasions.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;The contrast with Islam could not be greater.&lt;/i&gt;

I like the computing analogy.  By the way, I remember once from Usenet that the rabidly Islamophobic author SM Stirling (who&#039;s an atheist) once wrote that Islam was more dangerous than Christianity because it was more internally coherent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Christianity is MS-DOS in a multi core world, its not up to it. One can only be a religious Christian by either not understanding science, or partioning ones hard drive and running a science based OS that keeps one functioning in the modern world and having a christian “app” that one can boot up for special occasions.</i></p>
<p><i>The contrast with Islam could not be greater.</i></p>
<p>I like the computing analogy.  By the way, I remember once from Usenet that the rabidly Islamophobic author SM Stirling (who&#8217;s an atheist) once wrote that Islam was more dangerous than Christianity because it was more internally coherent.</p>
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		<title>By: Amir</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/06/08/policy-review-how-the-west-really-lost-god/comment-page-1/#comment-31046</link>
		<dc:creator>Amir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 00:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;As people become more educated, they are less willing to be enslaved solely to the reproductive yoke - the doors of the mind have been opened and they know there’s more to life than breeding and child-rearing - though of course this may still be sufficient fulfillment for some.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Interesting ideas, Fringe.  However, if the educated people free themselves from enslavement to the &#039;reproductive yoke&#039;, then that means that only the uneducated will breed.  Assuming education is, at least, a partial marker of intelligence and knowing that IQ trends towards the mean, this would suggest that successive generations will become increasingly stupid.     :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>As people become more educated, they are less willing to be enslaved solely to the reproductive yoke &#8211; the doors of the mind have been opened and they know there’s more to life than breeding and child-rearing &#8211; though of course this may still be sufficient fulfillment for some.</p></blockquote>
<p>Interesting ideas, Fringe.  However, if the educated people free themselves from enslavement to the &#8216;reproductive yoke&#8217;, then that means that only the uneducated will breed.  Assuming education is, at least, a partial marker of intelligence and knowing that IQ trends towards the mean, this would suggest that successive generations will become increasingly stupid.     <img src='http://austrolabe.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: How the West Really Lost God &#171; Umar Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>How the West Really Lost God &#171; Umar Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Fringe</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/06/08/policy-review-how-the-west-really-lost-god/comment-page-1/#comment-30914</link>
		<dc:creator>Fringe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 00:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As people become more educated, they are less willing to be enslaved solely to the reproductive yoke - the doors of the mind have been opened and they know there&#039;s more to life than breeding and child-rearing - though of course this may still be sufficient fulfillment for some. 

A more educated populace is able to resist the intellectually hollow dictates of those who hold power over others by faith - hence increased secularisation.

Conversely, uneducated masses are easy prey for political elites, whether they be secular or theological.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As people become more educated, they are less willing to be enslaved solely to the reproductive yoke &#8211; the doors of the mind have been opened and they know there&#8217;s more to life than breeding and child-rearing &#8211; though of course this may still be sufficient fulfillment for some. </p>
<p>A more educated populace is able to resist the intellectually hollow dictates of those who hold power over others by faith &#8211; hence increased secularisation.</p>
<p>Conversely, uneducated masses are easy prey for political elites, whether they be secular or theological.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 12:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps a brief look at the history of Europe over the last century would help, particularly compared to that of the US. Europe has gone through two major, devastating, wars during the period, with both sides seeing their churches waving the flag for their own side. A loss of faith in God, as well as a declining birthrate, may be a reaction to this. In the US, by contrast, the wars have been distant and, at least by comparison, casualties relatively minor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps a brief look at the history of Europe over the last century would help, particularly compared to that of the US. Europe has gone through two major, devastating, wars during the period, with both sides seeing their churches waving the flag for their own side. A loss of faith in God, as well as a declining birthrate, may be a reaction to this. In the US, by contrast, the wars have been distant and, at least by comparison, casualties relatively minor.</p>
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		<title>By: Amir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 08:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that female contribution to the workforce, increased wealth, urbanisation and so on have all contributed to a declining birthrate.  But where does &#039;secularisation&#039; fit into all this?

Is there really a direct correlation between religiousness and procreation or does the decline of religion sit, alongside the declining birthrate, as a consequence of all these things?  Or is secularisation and the decline of religion really not related to this issue at all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that female contribution to the workforce, increased wealth, urbanisation and so on have all contributed to a declining birthrate.  But where does &#8217;secularisation&#8217; fit into all this?</p>
<p>Is there really a direct correlation between religiousness and procreation or does the decline of religion sit, alongside the declining birthrate, as a consequence of all these things?  Or is secularisation and the decline of religion really not related to this issue at all?</p>
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