Comments on: Masjids and Middle Class Da’wah http://austrolabe.com/2007/08/19/masjids-and-middle-class-dawah/ Sat, 07 Jan 2012 13:12:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Umm Layth http://austrolabe.com/2007/08/19/masjids-and-middle-class-dawah/comment-page-1/#comment-40713 Umm Layth Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:53:45 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2007/08/19/masjids-and-middle-class-dawah/#comment-40713 Subhanallah @ the story of the family. That just breaks my heart. We can be real idiots. Subhanallah @ the story of the family. That just breaks my heart. We can be real idiots.

]]> By: Andrew Bartlett http://austrolabe.com/2007/08/19/masjids-and-middle-class-dawah/comment-page-1/#comment-40701 Andrew Bartlett Fri, 24 Aug 2007 00:45:50 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2007/08/19/masjids-and-middle-class-dawah/#comment-40701 Thanks Pommygranate - I accept my experiences may be different to the average visitor, but I don't think they're "irrelevant". I especially doubt that they would have been able to revamp their toilets just for my visist, particularly given a couple of them have been on virtually no notice, as I was just accompanying others rather than a pre-booked visit. Also, given that at a fair few of them I've mingled with and chatted to members of the general community rather than just the leadership, most of whom wanted to talk politics of some sort, if anything I would think I'd be more likely to hear at least one person go on about 9/11 if that's a common view. I agree that, given my position, its reasonable to assume I might be less likely to cop some heavy proselytising than other random visitors. FWIW, by far the most common political concerns I've had raised with me on these sorts of visits have been the portrayal of Muslims in the media, followed by the terror laws, followed by anger about Palestine. Maybe its just that Queenslanders are friendlier! (that's a joke by the way) Thanks Pommygranate – I accept my experiences may be different to the average visitor, but I don’t think they’re “irrelevant”. I especially doubt that they would have been able to revamp their toilets just for my visist, particularly given a couple of them have been on virtually no notice, as I was just accompanying others rather than a pre-booked visit.

Also, given that at a fair few of them I’ve mingled with and chatted to members of the general community rather than just the leadership, most of whom wanted to talk politics of some sort, if anything I would think I’d be more likely to hear at least one person go on about 9/11 if that’s a common view.

I agree that, given my position, its reasonable to assume I might be less likely to cop some heavy proselytising than other random visitors.

FWIW, by far the most common political concerns I’ve had raised with me on these sorts of visits have been the portrayal of Muslims in the media, followed by the terror laws, followed by anger about Palestine.

Maybe its just that Queenslanders are friendlier! (that’s a joke by the way)

]]> By: Khalil http://austrolabe.com/2007/08/19/masjids-and-middle-class-dawah/comment-page-1/#comment-40682 Khalil Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:23:49 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2007/08/19/masjids-and-middle-class-dawah/#comment-40682 Well, there is no way to verify that (from our end), but if you click on his name it leads to the website of the "Democratic Senator". So, I guess so! Well, there is no way to verify that (from our end), but if you click on his name it leads to the website of the “Democratic Senator”. So, I guess so!

]]> By: Eudaemonion http://austrolabe.com/2007/08/19/masjids-and-middle-class-dawah/comment-page-1/#comment-40680 Eudaemonion Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:58:09 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2007/08/19/masjids-and-middle-class-dawah/#comment-40680 Wait. You mean the occasional Austrolable commenter 'Andrew Bartlett' and the bespectacled Democratic Senator I see on the TV are one and the same? Dear me, but I've been quite 'slow on the uptake'! Wait.

You mean the occasional Austrolable commenter ‘Andrew Bartlett’ and the bespectacled Democratic Senator I see on the TV are one and the same?

Dear me, but I’ve been quite ’slow on the uptake’!

]]> By: The Middle Class and Islam « Tariq Nelson http://austrolabe.com/2007/08/19/masjids-and-middle-class-dawah/comment-page-1/#comment-40673 The Middle Class and Islam « Tariq Nelson Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:58:51 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2007/08/19/masjids-and-middle-class-dawah/#comment-40673 [...] topic of telling college educated/middle class individuals about Islam. A few days ago, Amir posted this similar post on Austrolabe. What goes on in Australia is eerily (and sadly) similar to what often happens here in [...] [...] topic of telling college educated/middle class individuals about Islam. A few days ago, Amir posted this similar post on Austrolabe. What goes on in Australia is eerily (and sadly) similar to what often happens here in [...]

]]> By: pommygranate http://austrolabe.com/2007/08/19/masjids-and-middle-class-dawah/comment-page-1/#comment-40644 pommygranate Thu, 23 Aug 2007 03:47:43 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2007/08/19/masjids-and-middle-class-dawah/#comment-40644 LDU Just stating the obvious. LDU

Just stating the obvious.

]]> By: LDU http://austrolabe.com/2007/08/19/masjids-and-middle-class-dawah/comment-page-1/#comment-40564 LDU Wed, 22 Aug 2007 06:18:07 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2007/08/19/masjids-and-middle-class-dawah/#comment-40564 Pommygranate, There is nothing wrong with Andrew's comment. His opinion holds as much status as any other persons. Hit a nerve, did he? Pommygranate,

There is nothing wrong with Andrew’s comment. His opinion holds as much status as any other persons.

Hit a nerve, did he?

]]> By: pommygranate http://austrolabe.com/2007/08/19/masjids-and-middle-class-dawah/comment-page-1/#comment-40538 pommygranate Tue, 21 Aug 2007 23:57:26 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2007/08/19/masjids-and-middle-class-dawah/#comment-40538 Andrew Your opinion on this matter is irrelevant. This may well have been your experiences (i hope so) but you are a public figure. Imagine if you posted that you agreed with Amir! You would be hounded out of your job within weeks (probably justifiably). No offence - but i'll defer to Amir on this one. Amir - if you can find a hospitable mosque, i'm sure there are plenty of non-Muslims who'd like to see them at first hand. Andrew

Your opinion on this matter is irrelevant. This may well have been your experiences (i hope so) but you are a public figure. Imagine if you posted that you agreed with Amir! You would be hounded out of your job within weeks (probably justifiably).

No offence – but i’ll defer to Amir on this one.

Amir – if you can find a hospitable mosque, i’m sure there are plenty of non-Muslims who’d like to see them at first hand.

]]> By: Shadower http://austrolabe.com/2007/08/19/masjids-and-middle-class-dawah/comment-page-1/#comment-40508 Shadower Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:58:00 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2007/08/19/masjids-and-middle-class-dawah/#comment-40508 Theodore yeah Preston Mosque toilets were old and seriously run down, alhumdulilah the new ones should be finished soon (last time I went there which was about a month ago, there were portables outside). Theodore yeah Preston Mosque toilets were old and seriously run down, alhumdulilah the new ones should be finished soon (last time I went there which was about a month ago, there were portables outside).

]]> By: Andrew Bartlett http://austrolabe.com/2007/08/19/masjids-and-middle-class-dawah/comment-page-1/#comment-40506 Andrew Bartlett Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:24:36 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2007/08/19/masjids-and-middle-class-dawah/#comment-40506 For what its worth, as a non-Muslim, I've been to five different mosques in south-east Queensland and a couple in Sydney and I've never experienced anything like what you've described here. Sure I sometimes feel a bit like an outsider, cos I am, but I haven't felt unwelcome, badgered, overwhelmed, etc. I can't recall which ones I went to the bathroom as well, but it would be at least three of them - the fact I can't really recall reinforces that I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. I'm not religious at all, so over-assertive proselytising is not something I'm fond of - but I've experienced much more of this from Christians than Muslims. There's been a desire to inform me, (which I generally appreciate) but not to convert me (which I wouldn't). Not surprisingly I get some people talking politics to me, but I don't think I've had 9/11 conspiracy stuff. Palestine is mentioned a lot, but that's hardly surprising or unreasonable For what its worth, as a non-Muslim, I’ve been to five different mosques in south-east Queensland and a couple in Sydney and I’ve never experienced anything like what you’ve described here. Sure I sometimes feel a bit like an outsider, cos I am, but I haven’t felt unwelcome, badgered, overwhelmed, etc. I can’t recall which ones I went to the bathroom as well, but it would be at least three of them – the fact I can’t really recall reinforces that I didn’t notice anything out of the ordinary.

I’m not religious at all, so over-assertive proselytising is not something I’m fond of – but I’ve experienced much more of this from Christians than Muslims. There’s been a desire to inform me, (which I generally appreciate) but not to convert me (which I wouldn’t).

Not surprisingly I get some people talking politics to me, but I don’t think I’ve had 9/11 conspiracy stuff. Palestine is mentioned a lot, but that’s hardly surprising or unreasonable

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