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		<title>By: Vrijheid!</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/08/19/the-jewish-question/comment-page-1/#comment-40654</link>
		<dc:creator>Vrijheid!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe once Muslims stop worrying why the Jews are so smart they can work on making themselves smart</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe once Muslims stop worrying why the Jews are so smart they can work on making themselves smart</p>
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		<title>By: Cinna</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/08/19/the-jewish-question/comment-page-1/#comment-40606</link>
		<dc:creator>Cinna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something can&#039;t be a paradigm- I assume you are using Kuhn&#039;s meaning, as any other is meaningless here- unless it&#039;s something more in the first place, Zanjabil. It has to be a convincing explanation of a phenomenon incorporating all of the known elements that require exaplanation. Any &quot;people of the book&quot; are bookworms, by definition and in what way are jews &quot;more ambitious&quot; than others? Wisdom, whatever that is, may be &quot;worth immensely more than cleverness&quot;; however, I think that cleverness is probably a prerequisite for it. 

Theodore: in-breeding may sometimes have a beneficial effect. Charles Darwin is an example, in fact; among others his family produced the Wedgwoods, the great composer Vaughan Williams, the Keyneses and a variety of other major contributors to British public life. They all tended to marry cousins too.  On the other hand, they also suffered from depression much more often than others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something can&#8217;t be a paradigm- I assume you are using Kuhn&#8217;s meaning, as any other is meaningless here- unless it&#8217;s something more in the first place, Zanjabil. It has to be a convincing explanation of a phenomenon incorporating all of the known elements that require exaplanation. Any &#8220;people of the book&#8221; are bookworms, by definition and in what way are jews &#8220;more ambitious&#8221; than others? Wisdom, whatever that is, may be &#8220;worth immensely more than cleverness&#8221;; however, I think that cleverness is probably a prerequisite for it. </p>
<p>Theodore: in-breeding may sometimes have a beneficial effect. Charles Darwin is an example, in fact; among others his family produced the Wedgwoods, the great composer Vaughan Williams, the Keyneses and a variety of other major contributors to British public life. They all tended to marry cousins too.  On the other hand, they also suffered from depression much more often than others.</p>
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		<title>By: Theodore</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/08/19/the-jewish-question/comment-page-1/#comment-40498</link>
		<dc:creator>Theodore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what effect do you think inbreeding has on IQ?  We know there are some groups here that prefer to marry within their own families (cousins) or from their little villages back home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what effect do you think inbreeding has on IQ?  We know there are some groups here that prefer to marry within their own families (cousins) or from their little villages back home.</p>
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		<title>By: Zanjabil</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/08/19/the-jewish-question/comment-page-1/#comment-40444</link>
		<dc:creator>Zanjabil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why come up with a Darwinian explanation to the question? Natural selection can&#039;t explain everything away... Darwin&#039;s theories were never more than paradigms.

Jews are more ambitious than most other ethnicities. And they are also bookworms. Those two factors explain a lot. But why not take a more holistic approach? Intelligence is not measurable in Nobel prizes and so on. Wisdom is worth immensely more than cleverness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why come up with a Darwinian explanation to the question? Natural selection can&#8217;t explain everything away&#8230; Darwin&#8217;s theories were never more than paradigms.</p>
<p>Jews are more ambitious than most other ethnicities. And they are also bookworms. Those two factors explain a lot. But why not take a more holistic approach? Intelligence is not measurable in Nobel prizes and so on. Wisdom is worth immensely more than cleverness.</p>
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		<title>By: Cinna</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/08/19/the-jewish-question/comment-page-1/#comment-40418</link>
		<dc:creator>Cinna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s evidence that being religious is beneficial to the individuals concerned from a social point of view, which would mean that a hypothetical  &quot;religious  gene&quot; would become widely spread and obviously the frequent religious injunction to have a lot of children would also spread it too. This has nothing to do with the actual truth or falsehood of any religion, of course.

  &quot;Humankind cannot bear very much reality.&quot; More evidence for this was given by a survey of people&#039;s assessment of the probability of various events taking place. It was found that &quot;normal&quot; people thought bad things less likely to happen and good things more likely to happen than is actually the case. Clinically depressed people got the likelihood right however. As one of the people conducting the survey put it: psychologically, sanity is being in a completely unjustified state of optimism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s evidence that being religious is beneficial to the individuals concerned from a social point of view, which would mean that a hypothetical  &#8220;religious  gene&#8221; would become widely spread and obviously the frequent religious injunction to have a lot of children would also spread it too. This has nothing to do with the actual truth or falsehood of any religion, of course.</p>
<p>  &#8220;Humankind cannot bear very much reality.&#8221; More evidence for this was given by a survey of people&#8217;s assessment of the probability of various events taking place. It was found that &#8220;normal&#8221; people thought bad things less likely to happen and good things more likely to happen than is actually the case. Clinically depressed people got the likelihood right however. As one of the people conducting the survey put it: psychologically, sanity is being in a completely unjustified state of optimism.</p>
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		<title>By: Amir</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/08/19/the-jewish-question/comment-page-1/#comment-40414</link>
		<dc:creator>Amir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the jewry is still out on whether the principle determinant of intelligence is genes or environment.  

However, the fact remains that intellectual output of the Jews is completely disproportionate to their relatively small numbers.  Perhaps, it&#039;s simply a culture of learning, or perhaps it&#039;s genetics, or perhaps, as I suspect, it&#039;s a combination of many factors; but regardless it&#039;s interesting and worth investigating (and understanding). 

Now, if intelligence isn&#039;t entirely innate, then what about religiousness?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the jewry is still out on whether the principle determinant of intelligence is genes or environment.  </p>
<p>However, the fact remains that intellectual output of the Jews is completely disproportionate to their relatively small numbers.  Perhaps, it&#8217;s simply a culture of learning, or perhaps it&#8217;s genetics, or perhaps, as I suspect, it&#8217;s a combination of many factors; but regardless it&#8217;s interesting and worth investigating (and understanding). </p>
<p>Now, if intelligence isn&#8217;t entirely innate, then what about religiousness?</p>
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		<title>By: T Cell</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/08/19/the-jewish-question/comment-page-1/#comment-40410</link>
		<dc:creator>T Cell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shalom Amir,

There is a great deal of conflicting evidence about intellect and genes or environment, as well as intellect and achievement.

there are studies that show firstborns are the most intelligent of the children, and that self discipline by the age of 5 correlates better with achievement as an adult better than IQ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shalom Amir,</p>
<p>There is a great deal of conflicting evidence about intellect and genes or environment, as well as intellect and achievement.</p>
<p>there are studies that show firstborns are the most intelligent of the children, and that self discipline by the age of 5 correlates better with achievement as an adult better than IQ.</p>
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		<title>By: Amir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I remember reading the research when it was first published and the point was made that African-Americans score far higher than Africans even though they are obviously racially very similar.   Therefore, it would be wrong to draw any racial conclusions from the material.  Indeed,  one of the reasons, aside from the better education system and so on, for the disparity within the racial groups is nutrition and the fact that poor nutrition -- of which poverty is obviously a major cause -- has a depressive effect on IQ.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember reading the research when it was first published and the point was made that African-Americans score far higher than Africans even though they are obviously racially very similar.   Therefore, it would be wrong to draw any racial conclusions from the material.  Indeed,  one of the reasons, aside from the better education system and so on, for the disparity within the racial groups is nutrition and the fact that poor nutrition &#8212; of which poverty is obviously a major cause &#8212; has a depressive effect on IQ.</p>
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		<title>By: Yusuf Smith</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/08/19/the-jewish-question/comment-page-1/#comment-40395</link>
		<dc:creator>Yusuf Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As-Salaamu &#039;alaikum,

For a community to maintain its gene pool as regards intelligence doesn&#039;t require conscious eugenics; a possible reason why Jews do so well is that the Jewish communities in Europe were overwhelmingly literate and that scholars, such as rabbis, were not celibate unlike among their neighbouring Christians.  It was considered a good match for a girl to marry a rabbi; Catholic intellectual life was almost entirely conducted among celibate priests and monastics, so they did not pass whatever genes they had down to the next generation.  Even in the Protestant world, where priests married, a marriage to a priest wasn&#039;t seen as advantageous.  Generally speaking, Jews in Europe were literate (and despite their persecution, had higher standards of living than others in the parts of Europe where they lived).

As for that table, obviously poorer countries with poorer education systems score lower.  It just goes to show that IQ doesn&#039;t measure innate, i.e. genetic, intelligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As-Salaamu &#8216;alaikum,</p>
<p>For a community to maintain its gene pool as regards intelligence doesn&#8217;t require conscious eugenics; a possible reason why Jews do so well is that the Jewish communities in Europe were overwhelmingly literate and that scholars, such as rabbis, were not celibate unlike among their neighbouring Christians.  It was considered a good match for a girl to marry a rabbi; Catholic intellectual life was almost entirely conducted among celibate priests and monastics, so they did not pass whatever genes they had down to the next generation.  Even in the Protestant world, where priests married, a marriage to a priest wasn&#8217;t seen as advantageous.  Generally speaking, Jews in Europe were literate (and despite their persecution, had higher standards of living than others in the parts of Europe where they lived).</p>
<p>As for that table, obviously poorer countries with poorer education systems score lower.  It just goes to show that IQ doesn&#8217;t measure innate, i.e. genetic, intelligence.</p>
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		<title>By: Shadower</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/08/19/the-jewish-question/comment-page-1/#comment-40380</link>
		<dc:creator>Shadower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 06:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T-Cell makes a more logical argument: 

Jewish people maybe more academically inclined because of a long-standing cultural tradition of valuing scholarship, rather than because they are genetically more gifted with “intelligence”. 

And Muslims should know this from their own history, how well the Islamic nation excelled in the sciences at a time when there was such a high value for scholarship within the Islamic world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T-Cell makes a more logical argument: </p>
<p>Jewish people maybe more academically inclined because of a long-standing cultural tradition of valuing scholarship, rather than because they are genetically more gifted with “intelligence”. </p>
<p>And Muslims should know this from their own history, how well the Islamic nation excelled in the sciences at a time when there was such a high value for scholarship within the Islamic world.</p>
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