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		<title>By: G-man</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/12/08/snowballs-chance-in-hell/comment-page-1/#comment-57053</link>
		<dc:creator>G-man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abdullah, that&#039;s just nonsense as James very eloquently explained. As for British Muslims, of course there&#039;s no obligation for them to be commenting on events in another nation just because it happens to be a Muslim country. But look at it this way - they had no problem coming out in their thousands to protest against the invasion of Iraq or the comic book fiasco (some carrying charming placards calling for people to be beheaded) even though most of them are neither Iraqis nor Danes. Yet they can&#039;t support their fellow British citizen threatened with prison and lashing over naming a teddy bear? That pretty much spells out where their loyalty lies. Fair enough, it&#039;s their right and their decision, but you&#039;ll forgive the British if they then wonder aloud what sort of viper they&#039;ve invited into their nest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abdullah, that&#8217;s just nonsense as James very eloquently explained. As for British Muslims, of course there&#8217;s no obligation for them to be commenting on events in another nation just because it happens to be a Muslim country. But look at it this way &#8211; they had no problem coming out in their thousands to protest against the invasion of Iraq or the comic book fiasco (some carrying charming placards calling for people to be beheaded) even though most of them are neither Iraqis nor Danes. Yet they can&#8217;t support their fellow British citizen threatened with prison and lashing over naming a teddy bear? That pretty much spells out where their loyalty lies. Fair enough, it&#8217;s their right and their decision, but you&#8217;ll forgive the British if they then wonder aloud what sort of viper they&#8217;ve invited into their nest.</p>
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		<title>By: Eudaemonion</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/12/08/snowballs-chance-in-hell/comment-page-1/#comment-57004</link>
		<dc:creator>Eudaemonion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 20:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much ado about nothing really. It all seems lost on some.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much ado about nothing really. It all seems lost on some.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/12/08/snowballs-chance-in-hell/comment-page-1/#comment-57001</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 20:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very technically this was a case of assault and battery. Now lets break it down.  The victim called the police and pressed charges.  As this is a legitimate charge the officers of the law have no choice but to charge the &quot;assailant.&quot;  As this case is being tried in court in a criminal case, the prosecutor thought that this case was worth spending resources on.  More to the point so too did the judge who could at any point tossed out the case and given the prosecutor a stern dressing down for waisting his or her time. Back to the incident at had, the snowball did actual harm to a living breathing human being. Change the physics a little and a nose could have been broken or an eye damaged. 

Now look at what happened in Sudan.  The whole &#039;harm&#039; of that case is an &quot;insult to the prophet&quot;  The charge lies on incredibly shaky ground.  There are millions of living breathing Muslim males with the name Muhammad or derivation there of; are they insulting god&#039;s last messenger? Is the government of Sudan proposing that doors be busted down to find other inappropriately named Teddy Bears? The whole kerfufel reeks of tin-foil hattery and the loss of common sense.  

This is were the need for informing the uninitiated, unwashed masses comes from.  It is PR thing. Like it or not, it needs pointing out that the Sudanese government has left the Islamic reservation in this case.  Like it or not, from a PR stance, Muslims from other lands need to distance themselves from what is going on in Sudan.  Like it or not, Sudan has been a big, black eye for the Islam- it is a bloody rag being waived by the Islamophobes.

Were British, Australian, Malaysian, Canadian or other Muslims absolutely required to speak out? No, they were not.  The Code Pink protester who confronted Condoleezza Rice with blood stained hands was not compelled by any other thing than need to speak the truth to power.  But what a brave and visually powerful thing she did. She spoke for millions of people in the U.S.A who oppose the Iraq misadventure, who want peace and reconciliation.  She stood up to a woman who&#039;s history in government slanders the good name of the USA.  That Code Pinker showed the world that there are people in the USA who still give a damn about law, order and morality.  She didn&#039;t HAVE to do any of it, she could have just as easily joined a bridge club. (But oddly enough, even bridge players feel compelled to disown Bush.)

The question before us all is how far we a willing to defend our side, are we willing to turn a blind eye to cruelty, anger and lawlessness masquerading as the defense of a Noble cause? I can only answer for myself, and to my own conviction.  I will not justify lawlessness from any source, I will stand up to cruelty, injustice and abuse wherever I find it. I will support  the widow, the orphan and the downtrodden. I will hold the powerful to account for their evil deeds.  I will oppose any base fool who tries to tell me that an evil is justified or tries to trivialize that evil.  And yes, that goes double for the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and his evil Ventriloquist of a Vice President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very technically this was a case of assault and battery. Now lets break it down.  The victim called the police and pressed charges.  As this is a legitimate charge the officers of the law have no choice but to charge the &#8220;assailant.&#8221;  As this case is being tried in court in a criminal case, the prosecutor thought that this case was worth spending resources on.  More to the point so too did the judge who could at any point tossed out the case and given the prosecutor a stern dressing down for waisting his or her time. Back to the incident at had, the snowball did actual harm to a living breathing human being. Change the physics a little and a nose could have been broken or an eye damaged. </p>
<p>Now look at what happened in Sudan.  The whole &#8216;harm&#8217; of that case is an &#8220;insult to the prophet&#8221;  The charge lies on incredibly shaky ground.  There are millions of living breathing Muslim males with the name Muhammad or derivation there of; are they insulting god&#8217;s last messenger? Is the government of Sudan proposing that doors be busted down to find other inappropriately named Teddy Bears? The whole kerfufel reeks of tin-foil hattery and the loss of common sense.  </p>
<p>This is were the need for informing the uninitiated, unwashed masses comes from.  It is PR thing. Like it or not, it needs pointing out that the Sudanese government has left the Islamic reservation in this case.  Like it or not, from a PR stance, Muslims from other lands need to distance themselves from what is going on in Sudan.  Like it or not, Sudan has been a big, black eye for the Islam- it is a bloody rag being waived by the Islamophobes.</p>
<p>Were British, Australian, Malaysian, Canadian or other Muslims absolutely required to speak out? No, they were not.  The Code Pink protester who confronted Condoleezza Rice with blood stained hands was not compelled by any other thing than need to speak the truth to power.  But what a brave and visually powerful thing she did. She spoke for millions of people in the U.S.A who oppose the Iraq misadventure, who want peace and reconciliation.  She stood up to a woman who&#8217;s history in government slanders the good name of the USA.  That Code Pinker showed the world that there are people in the USA who still give a damn about law, order and morality.  She didn&#8217;t HAVE to do any of it, she could have just as easily joined a bridge club. (But oddly enough, even bridge players feel compelled to disown Bush.)</p>
<p>The question before us all is how far we a willing to defend our side, are we willing to turn a blind eye to cruelty, anger and lawlessness masquerading as the defense of a Noble cause? I can only answer for myself, and to my own conviction.  I will not justify lawlessness from any source, I will stand up to cruelty, injustice and abuse wherever I find it. I will support  the widow, the orphan and the downtrodden. I will hold the powerful to account for their evil deeds.  I will oppose any base fool who tries to tell me that an evil is justified or tries to trivialize that evil.  And yes, that goes double for the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and his evil Ventriloquist of a Vice President.</p>
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		<title>By: Cinna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cinna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 17:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; injustice meted out at the end of a gravel.&quot;

Is this a milder form of stoning?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; injustice meted out at the end of a gravel.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is this a milder form of stoning?</p>
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		<title>By: Abdullah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abdullah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 12:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The post is making fun of Boris Johnson&#039;s argument that British Muslims had to say something about what was happening in Sudan.  

If British Muslims have a responsibility to condemn the weirdness and excesses of Sudanese legal system then the Americans in Australia have the same responsibility.  

Personally, I think charging someone with assault for throwing a snowball is ridiculous and silly but at the same time this sort of litigious hypersensitivity is just what we expect from the Americans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The post is making fun of Boris Johnson&#8217;s argument that British Muslims had to say something about what was happening in Sudan.  </p>
<p>If British Muslims have a responsibility to condemn the weirdness and excesses of Sudanese legal system then the Americans in Australia have the same responsibility.  </p>
<p>Personally, I think charging someone with assault for throwing a snowball is ridiculous and silly but at the same time this sort of litigious hypersensitivity is just what we expect from the Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Ward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 11:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a ridiculous post Amir, it really makes you look like you&#039;re clutching at straws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a ridiculous post Amir, it really makes you look like you&#8217;re clutching at straws.</p>
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		<title>By: Michel Trudeau</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/12/08/snowballs-chance-in-hell/comment-page-1/#comment-56772</link>
		<dc:creator>Michel Trudeau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 10:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again more racism.

If the victim of the snowball was a lady in a veil, you would not have posted this.

Very disappointing, people.  Very indeed.

Michel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again more racism.</p>
<p>If the victim of the snowball was a lady in a veil, you would not have posted this.</p>
<p>Very disappointing, people.  Very indeed.</p>
<p>Michel.</p>
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		<title>By: GMan</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/12/08/snowballs-chance-in-hell/comment-page-1/#comment-56750</link>
		<dc:creator>GMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 06:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve heard of reading between the lines, FB, but I think you&#039;re taking it to extremes. Nowhere did I accuse Muslims in general of being irrational, although I tend to think of all religious belief as somewhat irrational I suppose. The teacher said she loved Sudan and the Sudanese people, and certainly untold millions of Sudanese were not rioting in the streets calling for her blood. Just as with the ridiculous but nasty cartoon riots, it was a tiny percentage of irrational fanatics. I don&#039;t think all Muslims should have been apologising for the Sudan incident any more than I think all Christians should apologise for nitwits like Pastor Danny. The police obviously considered the snowball incident to be a case of assault. You might be able to make a comparison if he&#039;d named the snowball Jesus before throwing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard of reading between the lines, FB, but I think you&#8217;re taking it to extremes. Nowhere did I accuse Muslims in general of being irrational, although I tend to think of all religious belief as somewhat irrational I suppose. The teacher said she loved Sudan and the Sudanese people, and certainly untold millions of Sudanese were not rioting in the streets calling for her blood. Just as with the ridiculous but nasty cartoon riots, it was a tiny percentage of irrational fanatics. I don&#8217;t think all Muslims should have been apologising for the Sudan incident any more than I think all Christians should apologise for nitwits like Pastor Danny. The police obviously considered the snowball incident to be a case of assault. You might be able to make a comparison if he&#8217;d named the snowball Jesus before throwing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Antish</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2007/12/08/snowballs-chance-in-hell/comment-page-1/#comment-56739</link>
		<dc:creator>Antish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 05:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pardonez moi - more - the analogy would be that the victim thought it was fine (c/f the kids and their parents) but a passing janitor thought it offended all that he held most dear; that the government took up the cry; that mobs of others were so pathetic as human beings that they became enraged. 

Remember the teacher torn to death by her pupils in Nigeria because she unwittingly threw a bag containing a Koran? If Mrs Gibbons didn&#039;t happen to be a national of a country with muscle, she might at least have been lashed and possibly killed by a mob.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pardonez moi &#8211; more &#8211; the analogy would be that the victim thought it was fine (c/f the kids and their parents) but a passing janitor thought it offended all that he held most dear; that the government took up the cry; that mobs of others were so pathetic as human beings that they became enraged. </p>
<p>Remember the teacher torn to death by her pupils in Nigeria because she unwittingly threw a bag containing a Koran? If Mrs Gibbons didn&#8217;t happen to be a national of a country with muscle, she might at least have been lashed and possibly killed by a mob.</p>
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		<title>By: Antish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 05:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erm, given that the snowball was (according to the plaintiff) mainly ice, then it&#039;s a pretty clear-cut case of assault. It would be like being hit by a stone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erm, given that the snowball was (according to the plaintiff) mainly ice, then it&#8217;s a pretty clear-cut case of assault. It would be like being hit by a stone.</p>
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