Comments on: Turkish Government’s Revision of Hadith Project http://austrolabe.com/2008/02/27/turkish-governments-revision-of-hadith-project/ Fri, 12 Mar 2010 22:04:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: asim http://austrolabe.com/2008/02/27/turkish-governments-revision-of-hadith-project/comment-page-1/#comment-73887 asim Tue, 04 Mar 2008 07:55:12 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2008/02/27/turkish-governments-revision-of-hadith-project/#comment-73887 Although a comprehensive Hadith Project is needed to Unite Muslims as the one proposed in : http://asimiqbal.2.googlepages.com/hadith2.htm The Turkish Hadith Project as discussed in this official press release which is copied and listed at the end of http://asimiqbal.2.googlepages.com/hadith2.htm looks unorthodox and strange in some aspects. Specially the statements: Quote...the interpretations concerning hadith narrations, making necessary amendments in cases of misconceptions and omitting the issues and interpretations which do not have current value... (Comments: Making ammendments is not allowed, they can give arguments regarding authenticity or non-authenticity but making ammendments is not acceptable. Similarly completely ommiting issues which according to them are not of value today is not good) Quote...the Traditions are explained within the context of the unity of Hadith and the Quranic verses... (Comments: Qur'an is the 1st source, Hadith is the 2nd source, so what is this unity of the 2 unique sources. Does it mean they reject all Hadith whose related topics are not found in the Qur'an) Quote...making use of the interpretations which have appeared in the Islamic tradition as well as early Qur’anic commentaries, jurisprudence, theology and life of the Prophet of Islam... (Hadith is independent of tafsir, theology, biographical works, jurispudence works etc... and can't be judged based on these works) I won't make any further comments here: I can be reached at: http://asimiqbal.2.googlepages.com Although a comprehensive Hadith Project is needed to Unite Muslims as the one proposed in :

http://asimiqbal.2.googlepages.com/hadith2.htm

The Turkish Hadith Project as discussed in this official press release which is copied and listed at the end of http://asimiqbal.2.googlepages.com/hadith2.htm looks unorthodox and strange in some aspects.

Specially the statements:
Quote…the interpretations concerning hadith narrations, making necessary amendments in cases of misconceptions and omitting the issues and interpretations which do not have current value…

(Comments: Making ammendments is not allowed, they can give arguments regarding authenticity or non-authenticity but making ammendments is not acceptable. Similarly completely ommiting issues which according to them are not of value today is not good)

Quote…the Traditions are explained within the context of the unity of Hadith and the Quranic verses…

(Comments: Qur’an is the 1st source, Hadith is the 2nd source, so what is this unity of the 2 unique sources. Does it mean they reject all Hadith whose related topics are not found in the Qur’an)

Quote…making use of the interpretations which have appeared in the Islamic tradition as well as early Qur’anic commentaries, jurisprudence, theology and life of the Prophet of Islam…
(Hadith is independent of tafsir, theology, biographical works, jurispudence works etc… and can’t be judged based on these works)

I won’t make any further comments here:

I can be reached at:

http://asimiqbal.2.googlepages.com

]]> By: Turkey, Islam and the Scholar-Bureaucrats | http://austrolabe.com/2008/02/27/turkish-governments-revision-of-hadith-project/comment-page-1/#comment-73755 Turkey, Islam and the Scholar-Bureaucrats | Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:06:46 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2008/02/27/turkish-governments-revision-of-hadith-project/#comment-73755 [...] of the very foundations of Islam is obscuring the original values of Islam. Brilliant. According to astrolabe.com the adviser to the project, Felix Koerner, is a Jesuit priest. Take from that what you will. Aside [...] [...] of the very foundations of Islam is obscuring the original values of Islam. Brilliant. According to astrolabe.com the adviser to the project, Felix Koerner, is a Jesuit priest. Take from that what you will. Aside [...]

]]> By: muslimmatters.org » Authority of Sunnah: Hadith=Revelation http://austrolabe.com/2008/02/27/turkish-governments-revision-of-hadith-project/comment-page-1/#comment-73747 muslimmatters.org » Authority of Sunnah: Hadith=Revelation Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:35:54 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2008/02/27/turkish-governments-revision-of-hadith-project/#comment-73747 [...] only ones concerned about this Turkish “review”, which by the way is occuring under the watchful eye of a Jesuit priest. I bet all traditionalists (anyone who sticks to the Quran, Sunnah and our scholarly heritage = [...] [...] only ones concerned about this Turkish “review”, which by the way is occuring under the watchful eye of a Jesuit priest. I bet all traditionalists (anyone who sticks to the Quran, Sunnah and our scholarly heritage = [...]

]]> By: Musa http://austrolabe.com/2008/02/27/turkish-governments-revision-of-hadith-project/comment-page-1/#comment-72899 Musa Fri, 29 Feb 2008 02:31:58 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2008/02/27/turkish-governments-revision-of-hadith-project/#comment-72899 The Turkish government cannot be trusted to do anything related to religion. They will coopt and corrupt everything to suit their fascist purposes. The Turkish government cannot be trusted to do anything related to religion. They will coopt and corrupt everything to suit their fascist purposes.

]]> By: Mustafa http://austrolabe.com/2008/02/27/turkish-governments-revision-of-hadith-project/comment-page-1/#comment-72897 Mustafa Fri, 29 Feb 2008 02:22:05 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2008/02/27/turkish-governments-revision-of-hadith-project/#comment-72897 BBC claims of hadith reworking unfounded http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=135202 BBC claims of hadith reworking unfounded

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-.....ink=135202

]]> By: Abu Omar http://austrolabe.com/2008/02/27/turkish-governments-revision-of-hadith-project/comment-page-1/#comment-72731 Abu Omar Thu, 28 Feb 2008 05:10:15 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2008/02/27/turkish-governments-revision-of-hadith-project/#comment-72731 According to the IslamToday website, the media is misrepresenting this hadith project: http://www.islamtoday.com/showmenews.cfm?cat_id=38&sub_cat_id=1790 According to the IslamToday website, the media is misrepresenting this hadith project:

http://www.islamtoday.com/show.....at_id=1790

]]> By: Ahmad Atif Ahmad http://austrolabe.com/2008/02/27/turkish-governments-revision-of-hadith-project/comment-page-1/#comment-72590 Ahmad Atif Ahmad Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:31:02 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2008/02/27/turkish-governments-revision-of-hadith-project/#comment-72590 Medieval hadith scholars were aware of the possibility that some of the hadiths that are attributed to the Prophet have been forged. The wholesale "re-dating" of hadiths to later centuries, however, is a funny orientalistic position. Medieval Muslim jurists had a better way of critically reading particular hadiths, looking at each one on a case by case basis. Intellectually lazy people cannot afford that. Medieval hadith scholars were aware of the possibility that some of the hadiths that are attributed to the Prophet have been forged. The wholesale “re-dating” of hadiths to later centuries, however, is a funny orientalistic position. Medieval Muslim jurists had a better way of critically reading particular hadiths, looking at each one on a case by case basis. Intellectually lazy people cannot afford that.

]]> By: Eudaemonion http://austrolabe.com/2008/02/27/turkish-governments-revision-of-hadith-project/comment-page-1/#comment-72580 Eudaemonion Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:04:41 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2008/02/27/turkish-governments-revision-of-hadith-project/#comment-72580 That's odd. For centuries, Hadith scholars have busied themselves with sorting out the Hadith for centuries. Does this Jesuit Priest and the 'Theologians' he purports to be 'advising' should probably take note of this niggling little point. That’s odd. For centuries, Hadith scholars have busied themselves with sorting out the Hadith for centuries. Does this Jesuit Priest and the ‘Theologians’ he purports to be ‘advising’ should probably take note of this niggling little point.

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