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	<title>Comments on: Women Only Gyms: What&#8217;s all the fuss about?</title>
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		<title>By: Amir</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2008/03/16/women-only-gyms-whats-all-the-fuss-about/comment-page-1/#comment-77839</link>
		<dc:creator>Amir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon, if the bus is privately owned and is not contracted by the state to provide services to all citizens, then I don&#039;t see why it would be a problem if they wanted to run a woman-only or male-only service.  There may be perfectly good commercial or other reasons why they feel this is necessary.  e.g. if there are lots of Orthodox Jewish men who want to a catch a bus but don&#039;t like sitting next to women, then anyone who was able to deliver that service would have an immediate market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon, if the bus is privately owned and is not contracted by the state to provide services to all citizens, then I don&#8217;t see why it would be a problem if they wanted to run a woman-only or male-only service.  There may be perfectly good commercial or other reasons why they feel this is necessary.  e.g. if there are lots of Orthodox Jewish men who want to a catch a bus but don&#8217;t like sitting next to women, then anyone who was able to deliver that service would have an immediate market.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Miranda</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2008/03/16/women-only-gyms-whats-all-the-fuss-about/comment-page-1/#comment-77540</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Miranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 02:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Israel, some bus routes are segregated because some Ultra-Orthodox Jews do not feel comfortable sitting with women on the bus so the women have to sit at the back of the bus.  The same exact logic is used to deny men entry to gyms during women-only hours and women-only workout rooms. 
When women are excluded, it&#039;s sexism.
When men are excluded, it&#039;s defended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Israel, some bus routes are segregated because some Ultra-Orthodox Jews do not feel comfortable sitting with women on the bus so the women have to sit at the back of the bus.  The same exact logic is used to deny men entry to gyms during women-only hours and women-only workout rooms.<br />
When women are excluded, it&#8217;s sexism.<br />
When men are excluded, it&#8217;s defended.</p>
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		<title>By: Shadower</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2008/03/16/women-only-gyms-whats-all-the-fuss-about/comment-page-1/#comment-76965</link>
		<dc:creator>Shadower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 01:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There clearly is a niche market out there for women only gyms, that is why in Australia there is Fernwood, you also have Curves. 

But if all the women goto the women only gyms, who are the guys going to look at?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There clearly is a niche market out there for women only gyms, that is why in Australia there is Fernwood, you also have Curves. </p>
<p>But if all the women goto the women only gyms, who are the guys going to look at?</p>
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		<title>By: George Carty</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Carty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umm Yasmin, do you think defiance of contemporary &quot;feminist&quot; (really androgynist) dogma is also one of the factors behind anti-hijab prejudice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm Yasmin, do you think defiance of contemporary &#8220;feminist&#8221; (really androgynist) dogma is also one of the factors behind anti-hijab prejudice?</p>
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		<title>By: Umm Yasmin</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2008/03/16/women-only-gyms-whats-all-the-fuss-about/comment-page-1/#comment-76405</link>
		<dc:creator>Umm Yasmin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps part of the reason the usual suspects are objecting to this so heartily, is because for women (Muslim and non-Muslim) to actually *desire* women-only spaces flies in the face of a modern dogma, i.e. that equality means treating men and women exactly the same.

Actually, we do have different needs, and catering to those needs says nothing about worth or value. There are many non-Muslim women who desire to exercise in women-only facilities for any number of reasons, and at the moment their needs are not being satisified, because of this modern dogma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps part of the reason the usual suspects are objecting to this so heartily, is because for women (Muslim and non-Muslim) to actually *desire* women-only spaces flies in the face of a modern dogma, i.e. that equality means treating men and women exactly the same.</p>
<p>Actually, we do have different needs, and catering to those needs says nothing about worth or value. There are many non-Muslim women who desire to exercise in women-only facilities for any number of reasons, and at the moment their needs are not being satisified, because of this modern dogma.</p>
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		<title>By: Eudaemonion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eudaemonion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 08:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t you see Amir. 

They are submitting to Izlam by proxy. Making the lives of Muzlims easier is submission and the government &lt;i&gt;should not allow it to happen&lt;/i&gt;. Exercising your private property rights to exploit a niche market is submission, and the government &lt;i&gt;should not allow it to happen&lt;/i&gt;. Any manner of positive interaction with Muzlims is submission and the government &lt;i&gt;should not allow it to happen&lt;/i&gt;. 

We must never forget that they are a fifth column, sent here by the terrorists with their smiles, their platitudes and their above average incomes in order foist their Satanic and barbaric &lt;b&gt;Shariah law&lt;/b&gt; down our throats by the point of an aircraft, destroy our &lt;i&gt;Judeo&lt;/i&gt;-Christian heritage and enslave us all. 

We are to be ever suspicious of these duplitious Muzlims, and give over more and more of our liberties, which are based on our &lt;i&gt;Judeo&lt;/i&gt;-Christian hertiage, to the pious and benevolent government run by people of a &lt;i&gt;Judeo&lt;/i&gt;-Christian heritage for the protection of our &lt;i&gt;Judeo&lt;/i&gt;-Christian hertiage.

Signed,
Flag Waving Patriot Opposed to an Izlamofascist takeover of Harvard University, and subsequently, the blessed country of Israel, and America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you see Amir. </p>
<p>They are submitting to Izlam by proxy. Making the lives of Muzlims easier is submission and the government <i>should not allow it to happen</i>. Exercising your private property rights to exploit a niche market is submission, and the government <i>should not allow it to happen</i>. Any manner of positive interaction with Muzlims is submission and the government <i>should not allow it to happen</i>. </p>
<p>We must never forget that they are a fifth column, sent here by the terrorists with their smiles, their platitudes and their above average incomes in order foist their Satanic and barbaric <b>Shariah law</b> down our throats by the point of an aircraft, destroy our <i>Judeo</i>-Christian heritage and enslave us all. </p>
<p>We are to be ever suspicious of these duplitious Muzlims, and give over more and more of our liberties, which are based on our <i>Judeo</i>-Christian hertiage, to the pious and benevolent government run by people of a <i>Judeo</i>-Christian heritage for the protection of our <i>Judeo</i>-Christian hertiage.</p>
<p>Signed,<br />
Flag Waving Patriot Opposed to an Izlamofascist takeover of Harvard University, and subsequently, the blessed country of Israel, and America.</p>
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