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	<title>Comments on: Reverse Burden of Proof on Racism Allegations?</title>
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		<title>By: antish</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/06/reverse-burden-of-proof-on-racism-allegations/comment-page-1/#comment-81794</link>
		<dc:creator>antish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 01:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hiyas

I realise that it&#039;s shorthand, but just to be pedantic, there&#039;s no law against &#039;racism&#039;. I personally don&#039;t believe that &#039;race&#039; is a meaningful concept, but many people do - and they are not breaking the law in doing so.

Back on topic - I agree it&#039;s a really bad idea but it does have legal analogies. You have been assaulted, for instance, if you have been put in reasonable fear of imminent physical harm. It&#039;s the perception of the victim which counts (yes, &quot;reasonable&quot; is a let-out, but I imagine that &quot;reasonable&quot; would be stated or implied in any hate-speech legislation).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hiyas</p>
<p>I realise that it&#8217;s shorthand, but just to be pedantic, there&#8217;s no law against &#8216;racism&#8217;. I personally don&#8217;t believe that &#8216;race&#8217; is a meaningful concept, but many people do &#8211; and they are not breaking the law in doing so.</p>
<p>Back on topic &#8211; I agree it&#8217;s a really bad idea but it does have legal analogies. You have been assaulted, for instance, if you have been put in reasonable fear of imminent physical harm. It&#8217;s the perception of the victim which counts (yes, &#8220;reasonable&#8221; is a let-out, but I imagine that &#8220;reasonable&#8221; would be stated or implied in any hate-speech legislation).</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Bader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hans Bader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Australian race discrimination commissioner Tom Calma wrongly claims that people should have to prove themselves innocent of racism.

To support this disturbing claim, he cites an erroneous Australian human rights commission report falsely claiming that American law puts the burden of proof on defendants to prove themselves innocent.

That is false.  The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in St. Mary&#039;s Honor Center v. Hicks (1993) and Texas v. Burdine (1981) that the defendant does NOT have the ultimate burden of proof; the complainant or the government must prove the defendant is guilty.

I discuss those cases, and the false claim of the Australian &quot;human rights&quot; authorities, in an April 16, 2008 post on international law at OpenMarket.org, the blog of the Competitive Enterprise Institute, where I serve as counsel.

(I spent years as an attorney bringing and defending discrimination cases in private practice, and also worked briefly at the U.S. Department of Education, Office for Civil Rights, helping adjudicate discrimination cases).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Australian race discrimination commissioner Tom Calma wrongly claims that people should have to prove themselves innocent of racism.</p>
<p>To support this disturbing claim, he cites an erroneous Australian human rights commission report falsely claiming that American law puts the burden of proof on defendants to prove themselves innocent.</p>
<p>That is false.  The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in St. Mary&#8217;s Honor Center v. Hicks (1993) and Texas v. Burdine (1981) that the defendant does NOT have the ultimate burden of proof; the complainant or the government must prove the defendant is guilty.</p>
<p>I discuss those cases, and the false claim of the Australian &#8220;human rights&#8221; authorities, in an April 16, 2008 post on international law at OpenMarket.org, the blog of the Competitive Enterprise Institute, where I serve as counsel.</p>
<p>(I spent years as an attorney bringing and defending discrimination cases in private practice, and also worked briefly at the U.S. Department of Education, Office for Civil Rights, helping adjudicate discrimination cases).</p>
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		<title>By: Eudaemonion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eudaemonion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading that comment, I&#039;m convinced that Pete is a troll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading that comment, I&#8217;m convinced that Pete is a troll.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 09:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading that comment I&#039;m convinced that JDsg hates  black people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading that comment I&#8217;m convinced that JDsg hates  black people.</p>
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		<title>By: JDsg</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/06/reverse-burden-of-proof-on-racism-allegations/comment-page-1/#comment-79668</link>
		<dc:creator>JDsg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 07:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could be wrong, but I would think that the accuser would have already presented evidence of said racist speech or behavior.  The way I understand this is that the accused, once confronted with the accusation and the evidence, must then show how his or her speech or behavior &lt;i&gt;isn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; racist.  For example, and to give a very blatant and obvious example, let&#039;s say a Spanish football &quot;fan&quot; is accused of racist behavior toward a black football player (like Eto&#039;o of Barcelona, who&#039;s experienced quite a bit of this already).  The fan must then prove in some way that his or her speech or behavior wasn&#039;t racist but was in some way &quot;normal.&quot;  That&#039;s how I read this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could be wrong, but I would think that the accuser would have already presented evidence of said racist speech or behavior.  The way I understand this is that the accused, once confronted with the accusation and the evidence, must then show how his or her speech or behavior <i>isn&#8217;t</i> racist.  For example, and to give a very blatant and obvious example, let&#8217;s say a Spanish football &#8220;fan&#8221; is accused of racist behavior toward a black football player (like Eto&#8217;o of Barcelona, who&#8217;s experienced quite a bit of this already).  The fan must then prove in some way that his or her speech or behavior wasn&#8217;t racist but was in some way &#8220;normal.&#8221;  That&#8217;s how I read this.</p>
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		<title>By: Shadower</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shadower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 06:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hell no, that is ridiculous. 

I agree racism needs to be confronted, but not like this, this will benefit no one, and could only make things worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hell no, that is ridiculous. </p>
<p>I agree racism needs to be confronted, but not like this, this will benefit no one, and could only make things worse.</p>
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		<title>By: G-man</title>
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		<dc:creator>G-man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 04:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So we&#039;re all potential suspected racists until we can prove otherwise. Outrageous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So we&#8217;re all potential suspected racists until we can prove otherwise. Outrageous.</p>
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		<title>By: Manas Shaikh</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/06/reverse-burden-of-proof-on-racism-allegations/comment-page-1/#comment-79595</link>
		<dc:creator>Manas Shaikh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. Innocent until proven guilty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. Innocent until proven guilty.</p>
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		<title>By: null</title>
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		<dc:creator>null</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 12:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow and no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow and no.</p>
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		<title>By: Eudaemonion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eudaemonion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 12:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. Overturns the idea of the presumption of innocence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. Overturns the idea of the presumption of innocence.</p>
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