Comments on: Seasteading http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/26/seasteading/ Sat, 07 Jan 2012 13:12:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Kieran Bennett http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/26/seasteading/comment-page-1/#comment-84824 Kieran Bennett Mon, 05 May 2008 04:28:31 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/26/seasteading/#comment-84824 On the artificial Islands idea, the one person to try this had had his Island promptly annexed by the nearest sovereign power. Check out the Republic of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Minerva">Minerva</a> on wikipedia. The individual behind Minerva also tried sea steading, he built a giant concrete barge. It sunk. On the artificial Islands idea, the one person to try this had had his Island promptly annexed by the nearest sovereign power. Check out the Republic of Minerva on wikipedia.

The individual behind Minerva also tried sea steading, he built a giant concrete barge. It sunk.

]]> By: Shadower http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/26/seasteading/comment-page-1/#comment-83771 Shadower Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:54:45 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/26/seasteading/#comment-83771 Wouldn't these places still fall under international conventions? Flying flags of convenience does not make a ship on the high seas answerable to no one. They could fly the jolly roger I guess. Wouldn’t these places still fall under international conventions? Flying flags of convenience does not make a ship on the high seas answerable to no one.

They could fly the jolly roger I guess.

]]> By: G-man http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/26/seasteading/comment-page-1/#comment-83245 G-man Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:29:19 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/26/seasteading/#comment-83245 Yes, people might go there to use hand-held lasers or set off fireworks or ride bicycles without helmets or something. So obviously the world's governments would have to band together and pass some laws about these renegade islands... Yes, people might go there to use hand-held lasers or set off fireworks or ride bicycles without helmets or something. So obviously the world’s governments would have to band together and pass some laws about these renegade islands…

]]> By: antish http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/26/seasteading/comment-page-1/#comment-83218 antish Sun, 27 Apr 2008 23:43:10 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/26/seasteading/#comment-83218 Come to think of it, Australia already has laws which apply to its citizens even when they aren't in Australia (paedophilia and possibly other crimes). Come to think of it, Australia already has laws which apply to its citizens even when they aren’t in Australia (paedophilia and possibly other crimes).

]]> By: antish http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/26/seasteading/comment-page-1/#comment-83217 antish Sun, 27 Apr 2008 23:41:09 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/26/seasteading/#comment-83217 Can you see the world allowing Beastiality-Land to exist as a holiday destination? I can't. Can you see the world allowing Beastiality-Land to exist as a holiday destination? I can’t.

]]> By: Amir http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/26/seasteading/comment-page-1/#comment-83101 Amir Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:42:25 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/26/seasteading/#comment-83101 I can't really see a time when people will, as you say, move their families to these off-shore platforms and live there for several generations. However, I can see them being set up for specific purposes such as as the base for various financial operations, internet activities a la <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_haven">data havens</a>, or as a 'holiday destination' for people who want to do things that would to be allowed in their home countries (e.g. drugs). Rather than building structures, there may be other variations on this that would be more palatable for large-scale and long-term human settlement. For example, large man-made islands of the sort that have been built in Dubai and elsewhere. I can’t really see a time when people will, as you say, move their families to these off-shore platforms and live there for several generations. However, I can see them being set up for specific purposes such as as the base for various financial operations, internet activities a la data havens, or as a ‘holiday destination’ for people who want to do things that would to be allowed in their home countries (e.g. drugs).

Rather than building structures, there may be other variations on this that would be more palatable for large-scale and long-term human settlement. For example, large man-made islands of the sort that have been built in Dubai and elsewhere.

]]> By: antish http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/26/seasteading/comment-page-1/#comment-83096 antish Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:30:07 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/26/seasteading/#comment-83096 oh, and Israel is the best example of a utopian dream come true ;) oh, and Israel is the best example of a utopian dream come true ;)

]]> By: antish http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/26/seasteading/comment-page-1/#comment-83095 antish Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:28:03 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/26/seasteading/#comment-83095 Given the costs involved it's pretty unlikely that anyone would seriously do this on a large scale (ie larger than a few families) and even then it would be very unlikely to kast more than a generation. Plenty of people have attempted to set up their own utopias - none have succeded, AFAIK. From my internet browsing it seems to me that the groups who are already investigating and in some cases creating 'independent states' are the neo-Nazis and White Supremacists of North America. The other main groups which kick against laws and has some track record of creating its own communities are the hippies and neo-hippies. Given the costs involved it’s pretty unlikely that anyone would seriously do this on a large scale (ie larger than a few families) and even then it would be very unlikely to kast more than a generation.

Plenty of people have attempted to set up their own utopias – none have succeded, AFAIK.

From my internet browsing it seems to me that the groups who are already investigating and in some cases creating ‘independent states’ are the neo-Nazis and White Supremacists of North America. The other main groups which kick against laws and has some track record of creating its own communities are the hippies and neo-hippies.

]]> By: Peter http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/26/seasteading/comment-page-1/#comment-82871 Peter Sat, 26 Apr 2008 10:08:38 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/26/seasteading/#comment-82871 The really great thing is that you can make up your own laws. I don't know if this will take off for individuals who will move to these structures but it can be useful for niches. e.g. a structure where medical experiments or surgery can be conducted without being controlled by any laws like a platform set up for organ trading. The really great thing is that you can make up your own laws. I don’t know if this will take off for individuals who will move to these structures but it can be useful for niches. e.g. a structure where medical experiments or surgery can be conducted without being controlled by any laws like a platform set up for organ trading.

]]> By: GMan http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/26/seasteading/comment-page-1/#comment-82855 GMan Sat, 26 Apr 2008 08:27:01 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/26/seasteading/#comment-82855 Ah Utopia, wherefore art thou? I feel seasick just thinking about the idea. Ah Utopia, wherefore art thou? I feel seasick just thinking about the idea.

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