Comments on: Outrage at 2020 http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/28/outrage-at-2020/ Fri, 12 Mar 2010 22:04:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Abdul Rahman http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/28/outrage-at-2020/comment-page-2/#comment-89646 Abdul Rahman Fri, 23 May 2008 11:58:03 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/28/outrage-at-2020/#comment-89646 #52 Please clarify? Which scholars say it is permissible to eat meat potentially slaughtered by an atheist? The consensus of traditional scholars who adhere to the four madhaib which are the only legitimate source of fiqh is that this is haram. Meat is the only thing [note: not action] which is haram unless proven otherwise. If you choose to seek guidance where it is not permitted to take it from then that is your choice but that does not mean I will stop warning people from doing such things. #52 Please clarify?
Which scholars say it is permissible to eat meat potentially slaughtered by an atheist? The consensus of traditional scholars who adhere to the four madhaib which are the only legitimate source of fiqh is that this is haram. Meat is the only thing [note: not action] which is haram unless proven otherwise.

If you choose to seek guidance where it is not permitted to take it from then that is your choice but that does not mean I will stop warning people from doing such things.

]]> By: Shadower http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/28/outrage-at-2020/comment-page-2/#comment-89366 Shadower Thu, 22 May 2008 14:27:16 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/28/outrage-at-2020/#comment-89366 Abdul Rahman: Point is there is actually evidence from the scholars for this point of view. So it does not equate with premarital sex or tearing off the hijjab or what not, no need to over dramatize it. I've heard both sides of the argument and chosen, and I wont cram which opinion I follow down any others throat. Abdul Rahman: Point is there is actually evidence from the scholars for this point of view.

So it does not equate with premarital sex or tearing off the hijjab or what not, no need to over dramatize it.

I’ve heard both sides of the argument and chosen, and I wont cram which opinion I follow down any others throat.

]]> By: antish http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/28/outrage-at-2020/comment-page-2/#comment-89224 antish Thu, 22 May 2008 02:40:49 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/28/outrage-at-2020/#comment-89224 I think you're seriously mixed-up about this, and I'd be interested in debating you on it. But this forum isn't the place for it. Any suggstions? I think you’re seriously mixed-up about this, and I’d be interested in debating you on it. But this forum isn’t the place for it. Any suggstions?

]]> By: Eudaemonion http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/28/outrage-at-2020/comment-page-2/#comment-88450 Eudaemonion Mon, 19 May 2008 23:50:11 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/28/outrage-at-2020/#comment-88450 You've made your opposition to less government meddling and more personal freedom many, many times before Antish. So forgive me when I snort in derision at the words 'Free As Possible' coming out of your mouth. Maybe I missed the disclaimer stating that 'Free As Possible' only applies to the arbitrary dictates of a 'supernatural being' and not the arbitrary dictates of a collection of self-serving politicians and their bureaucrat underlings. You’ve made your opposition to less government meddling and more personal freedom many, many times before Antish. So forgive me when I snort in derision at the words ‘Free As Possible’ coming out of your mouth.

Maybe I missed the disclaimer stating that ‘Free As Possible’ only applies to the arbitrary dictates of a ’supernatural being’ and not the arbitrary dictates of a collection of self-serving politicians and their bureaucrat underlings.

]]> By: antish http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/28/outrage-at-2020/comment-page-1/#comment-88304 antish Mon, 19 May 2008 13:22:43 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/28/outrage-at-2020/#comment-88304 You seem to enjoy telling me what you think I think, don't you? But you aren't very good at it. You seem to enjoy telling me what you think I think, don’t you? But you aren’t very good at it.

]]> By: Eudaemonion http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/28/outrage-at-2020/comment-page-1/#comment-88268 Eudaemonion Mon, 19 May 2008 10:54:23 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/28/outrage-at-2020/#comment-88268 'Free as possible' coming from a person who has an almost child-like faith in government?Surely you jest! ‘Free as possible’ coming from a person who has an almost child-like faith in government?Surely you jest!

]]> By: antish http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/28/outrage-at-2020/comment-page-1/#comment-87964 antish Sun, 18 May 2008 02:50:50 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/28/outrage-at-2020/#comment-87964 Well, there's a very good argument that EVERYTHNG is an illusion, so that isn't necessarily a problem. But even if we do reject solipsism, then no, it isn't an illusion. Sure, we do have biological, historical, cultural restraints, but the most diginifed way to live is to attempt to be as free as possible. The least dignified way to live is to unquestioningly obey an arbitrary supernatural being. Well, there’s a very good argument that EVERYTHNG is an illusion, so that isn’t necessarily a problem. But even if we do reject solipsism, then no, it isn’t an illusion. Sure, we do have biological, historical, cultural restraints, but the most diginifed way to live is to attempt to be as free as possible. The least dignified way to live is to unquestioningly obey an arbitrary supernatural being.

]]> By: Abdul Rahman http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/28/outrage-at-2020/comment-page-1/#comment-87834 Abdul Rahman Sat, 17 May 2008 12:13:14 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/28/outrage-at-2020/#comment-87834 Such "freedom" is an illusion. Such “freedom” is an illusion.

]]> By: antish http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/28/outrage-at-2020/comment-page-1/#comment-87787 antish Sat, 17 May 2008 07:54:30 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/28/outrage-at-2020/#comment-87787 "When we cease to see sin as such we are in real trouble, when we say it is actually halal, where does that leave us?' Actually, in the same position of most of the rest of us - making decisions about right and wrong for ourselves (based on an untangelable jumble of biology, history, culture, and so on) and living as free people. “When we cease to see sin as such we are in real trouble, when we say it is actually halal, where does that leave us?’

Actually, in the same position of most of the rest of us – making decisions about right and wrong for ourselves (based on an untangelable jumble of biology, history, culture, and so on) and living as free people.

]]> By: Abdul Rahman http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/28/outrage-at-2020/comment-page-1/#comment-87595 Abdul Rahman Fri, 16 May 2008 14:47:07 +0000 http://austrolabe.com/2008/04/28/outrage-at-2020/#comment-87595 Sorry for the obtuse style. It must be because I am one of those educated pigs. Sorry for the obtuse style. It must be because I am one of those educated pigs.

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