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	<title>Comments on: Canadian Muslims versus Mark Steyn</title>
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		<title>By: aiman</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2008/05/12/canadian-muslims-versus-mark-steyn/comment-page-1/#comment-87548</link>
		<dc:creator>aiman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 10:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glenn Greenwald is right:

&quot;If Muslim groups can trigger government investigations due to commentary they find offensive, so, too, can conservative Christian or right-wing Jewish groups, or conservative or neoconservative groups, or any other political faction seeking to restrict and punish speech it dislikes.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn Greenwald is right:</p>
<p>&#8220;If Muslim groups can trigger government investigations due to commentary they find offensive, so, too, can conservative Christian or right-wing Jewish groups, or conservative or neoconservative groups, or any other political faction seeking to restrict and punish speech it dislikes.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Abdul Rahman</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2008/05/12/canadian-muslims-versus-mark-steyn/comment-page-1/#comment-87076</link>
		<dc:creator>Abdul Rahman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 11:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I have made myself clear on what our response should be to Steyn, he is peripheral to my concerns. 

My issue is with Muslims who get caught up in non-muslim frames of reference to the detriment of the their deen. Which is why I limited my comments to the &quot;its just words&quot; mentality. Words matter to Muslims, the Quran is afterall &quot;just words&quot;. How many of us in advocating this free for of all free speech lose that last connection with our iman by forgeting to hate what is batil in our hearts, even if we can or should do no more?

How I think the Sharia should function here is not really relevant, it is what the ulema think that counts. They are the best ones to determine the &quot;limits&quot;. The Sharia should be our main point of reference in all things, and it is remarkably flexible. All one needs to do is look at a shining example of those who understand how to apply the Sharia like Sheikh Naeem Abdul Wali to get a proper understanding of what I mean.  May Allah increase us in the benefit we derive from him and those like him. People who understand the problems we face in this society and look for solutions within the sacred framework that has been bequeathed to us instead of throwing it out and following the corruption of our diseased nafs with a few poorly understood ahadith to justify our whims. Not much between that way of doing things and joining the GIYC or whatever other bunch of letters you want to string together that are just different ways of spelling wahhabi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I have made myself clear on what our response should be to Steyn, he is peripheral to my concerns. </p>
<p>My issue is with Muslims who get caught up in non-muslim frames of reference to the detriment of the their deen. Which is why I limited my comments to the &#8220;its just words&#8221; mentality. Words matter to Muslims, the Quran is afterall &#8220;just words&#8221;. How many of us in advocating this free for of all free speech lose that last connection with our iman by forgeting to hate what is batil in our hearts, even if we can or should do no more?</p>
<p>How I think the Sharia should function here is not really relevant, it is what the ulema think that counts. They are the best ones to determine the &#8220;limits&#8221;. The Sharia should be our main point of reference in all things, and it is remarkably flexible. All one needs to do is look at a shining example of those who understand how to apply the Sharia like Sheikh Naeem Abdul Wali to get a proper understanding of what I mean.  May Allah increase us in the benefit we derive from him and those like him. People who understand the problems we face in this society and look for solutions within the sacred framework that has been bequeathed to us instead of throwing it out and following the corruption of our diseased nafs with a few poorly understood ahadith to justify our whims. Not much between that way of doing things and joining the GIYC or whatever other bunch of letters you want to string together that are just different ways of spelling wahhabi.</p>
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		<title>By: Irfan Yusuf</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2008/05/12/canadian-muslims-versus-mark-steyn/comment-page-1/#comment-87049</link>
		<dc:creator>Irfan Yusuf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 07:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abdul Rahman, do you think that sharia as a whole must be implemented in Australia? Or does sharia set its own jurisdictional limits?

And how does sharia affect how Canadian Muslims should respond to Mark Steyn? Can you point to any clear guidance, as opposed to the watered-down sharia of the chattering class Muslims?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abdul Rahman, do you think that sharia as a whole must be implemented in Australia? Or does sharia set its own jurisdictional limits?</p>
<p>And how does sharia affect how Canadian Muslims should respond to Mark Steyn? Can you point to any clear guidance, as opposed to the watered-down sharia of the chattering class Muslims?</p>
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		<title>By: Abdul Rahman</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2008/05/12/canadian-muslims-versus-mark-steyn/comment-page-1/#comment-86826</link>
		<dc:creator>Abdul Rahman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 12:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really care much what these kaffir governments do, what concerns me more is how we respond to different situations.  As to the ravings of this particular nut, labelleing them as such is as much notice as I want to give them. 
 
We need to stop ennervating ourselves with the liberal ideology of &quot;its just words&quot; or whatever other permutation you care to make on it.  It leads to us accepting things that should disgust us. Or worse, participating in them. 

What really counts is our relationship with Allah, and a sure measure of that is our love for the Sharia. Not some watered down kaffir acceptable sharia so beloved among our chattering classes, but that which has been transmitted to us through an unbroken chain of salih people from the time of the Prophet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really care much what these kaffir governments do, what concerns me more is how we respond to different situations.  As to the ravings of this particular nut, labelleing them as such is as much notice as I want to give them. </p>
<p>We need to stop ennervating ourselves with the liberal ideology of &#8220;its just words&#8221; or whatever other permutation you care to make on it.  It leads to us accepting things that should disgust us. Or worse, participating in them. </p>
<p>What really counts is our relationship with Allah, and a sure measure of that is our love for the Sharia. Not some watered down kaffir acceptable sharia so beloved among our chattering classes, but that which has been transmitted to us through an unbroken chain of salih people from the time of the Prophet.</p>
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		<title>By: Strider</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2008/05/12/canadian-muslims-versus-mark-steyn/comment-page-1/#comment-86806</link>
		<dc:creator>Strider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 10:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Cinna what is reasonable is for people to be able to say whatever they want even if it upsets or offends other people.  Nobody has a right not to be insulted or offended.

Abdul Rahman, it&#039;s still just words.  Do you think the government should stop people saying careless or nasty words?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Cinna what is reasonable is for people to be able to say whatever they want even if it upsets or offends other people.  Nobody has a right not to be insulted or offended.</p>
<p>Abdul Rahman, it&#8217;s still just words.  Do you think the government should stop people saying careless or nasty words?</p>
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		<title>By: Abdul Rahman</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2008/05/12/canadian-muslims-versus-mark-steyn/comment-page-1/#comment-86800</link>
		<dc:creator>Abdul Rahman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 10:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It&#039;s just words&quot;
A careless word can have a human being enter the hellfire for seventy years (more or less). It was just words that immortalised the punishment of one poet alluded to in surah al-Kawthar. What about the fate of ibn Khatal for sining songs that slandered the Prophet of God :saws:?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s just words&#8221;<br />
A careless word can have a human being enter the hellfire for seventy years (more or less). It was just words that immortalised the punishment of one poet alluded to in surah al-Kawthar. What about the fate of ibn Khatal for sining songs that slandered the Prophet of God :saws:?</p>
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		<title>By: Irfan Yusuf</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2008/05/12/canadian-muslims-versus-mark-steyn/comment-page-1/#comment-86796</link>
		<dc:creator>Irfan Yusuf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 10:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would also be reasonable to demand that Christians throw out the entire Gospel of John which many Jews regard as containing deeply anti-Semitic messages that have frequently been used to justify slaughter of Jews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would also be reasonable to demand that Christians throw out the entire Gospel of John which many Jews regard as containing deeply anti-Semitic messages that have frequently been used to justify slaughter of Jews.</p>
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		<title>By: Cinna</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2008/05/12/canadian-muslims-versus-mark-steyn/comment-page-1/#comment-86767</link>
		<dc:creator>Cinna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 07:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s just words&quot;...or pictures, in the case of the cartoons. The quran, too, is &quot;just words&quot;; the problem there is the source of the words. It would be perfectly reasonable to demand that muslims stop citing those passages in the quran that claim other religions have distorted the supposed message of god because they are offensive to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s just words&#8221;&#8230;or pictures, in the case of the cartoons. The quran, too, is &#8220;just words&#8221;; the problem there is the source of the words. It would be perfectly reasonable to demand that muslims stop citing those passages in the quran that claim other religions have distorted the supposed message of god because they are offensive to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Irfan Yusuf</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2008/05/12/canadian-muslims-versus-mark-steyn/comment-page-1/#comment-86766</link>
		<dc:creator>Irfan Yusuf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 07:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that Steyn can get away with writing and saying what he does is largely the product of a generation of lazy Western Muslim leaders who regarded communicating their faith as having little or no importance. 

Had they recognised that their primary religious duty was to communicate their values (as opposed to manufacturing cultural relics of their home countries), and to do this in a culturally appropriate manner, imbecilic-theatre-critics-turned-bush-social-commentators like Steyn could not have entered mainstream discourse the way they have.

Or am I being too nasty?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that Steyn can get away with writing and saying what he does is largely the product of a generation of lazy Western Muslim leaders who regarded communicating their faith as having little or no importance. </p>
<p>Had they recognised that their primary religious duty was to communicate their values (as opposed to manufacturing cultural relics of their home countries), and to do this in a culturally appropriate manner, imbecilic-theatre-critics-turned-bush-social-commentators like Steyn could not have entered mainstream discourse the way they have.</p>
<p>Or am I being too nasty?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://austrolabe.com/2008/05/12/canadian-muslims-versus-mark-steyn/comment-page-1/#comment-86708</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 01:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can see from the video how Dtein is loving the publicity this case has given him. Ezra can&#039;t stop talking about his own case too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can see from the video how Dtein is loving the publicity this case has given him. Ezra can&#8217;t stop talking about his own case too.</p>
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